Remove kill boards from RoR website

[Aluviya]

A quick and easy fix that would also satisfy thr majority would be to simply remove deaths from killboard. Keep the kills, remove kdr wankery

This sounds like a good idea, I guess.
The killboard is a great addition, feature and code-wise to the RoR experience.
Gameplay-wise it might be detrimental.

Any veteran that was serious about his stats was a DB-wh#!e before killboard was implemented. Deathblow was and is a thing.
It was annoying back then and an inside joke for some of us that people with constant full 6man parties thought "oh yeah x is bad, I got him at 13-1".
Heard it MULTIPLE times from all kinds of players over the course of 2019-2021 and aside from strict 1v1s I immediately thought said people are ...not my kind of people. Playing safe is not my style nor is it the path to become masterful at anything; limits need to be tested.

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You could see said people suddenly crumbling when it came to Scenarios, hitting wrong targets, target switching too late - bad movement when being pressured, guardswapping once per year - in general shoddy play when they weren't being carried by their party and the numbers were even. I don't think the actual best players of the server cared too much about DB stats, aside from the pure solo roamers chasing decent 1v1s.
BUT - they did play and they did try. If they died they respawned and tried again. Up until a year, or so, ago.

Now with Killboard being public the problem has regressed from a meme to a serious downgrade to how people play and pvp in the lakes is perceived.
It has even made said scenarios worse; (even if the level of play is higher than the Lazypeon days due to the server being low pop with only veterans remaining - conundrum huh?) you see plenty of AFKers or people borderline non participating. You see people playing royal guard to certain dps players farming demoralized PUGs (100% FOR Killboard stats, you know it)
Premades stop queueing the moment they clash with another premade (I think this wasn't this prevalent, but it might be anecdotal. It did use to happen.)

Then there might be shaming, the e-peen size farming, the attitude of slightly above average people bullying the average people while the top people continue being deluded by statwhoring.
To a certain extent this might sound dramatic, and it kind of is, but I legit think it's not healthy for this game.
This is not a 1v1 fighting game, it's not Magic Arena where I need to know how I fare versus a certain color deck or an archetype - and if I want to I can see that through Deathblow.

It contributes and leads to an already prevalent case of pixelphobia, which imo is the wrong way to play a PvP MMO.
You need to die and make mistakes in order to assess what is the right play, you need to die over and over again in order to learn what you can and cannot do.
You need to die to make the big boy plays.

My 2c.

I agree on this 100%. Some players have a big obsessions towards K/D ratio seeking public display and accomplishment for "great gameplay". Even going as far as stacking in Discordant games with far more than just a duo (of course with all the basic pretentions going like purposely not having the same guild tag) to farm safely and in case of potential danger never leave the scenario spawn.

[SuperStar]

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This sounds like a good idea, I guess.
The killboard is a great addition, feature and code-wise to the RoR experience.
Gameplay-wise it might be detrimental.

Any veteran that was serious about his stats was a DB-wh#!e before killboard was implemented. Deathblow was and is a thing.
It was annoying back then and an inside joke for some of us that people with constant full 6man parties thought "oh yeah x is bad, I got him at 13-1".
Heard it MULTIPLE times from all kinds of players over the course of 2019-2021 and aside from strict 1v1s I immediately thought said people are ...not my kind of people. Playing safe is not my style nor is it the path to become masterful at anything; limits need to be tested.

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You could see said people suddenly crumbling when it came to Scenarios, hitting wrong targets, target switching too late - bad movement when being pressured, guardswapping once per year - in general shoddy play when they weren't being carried by their party and the numbers were even. I don't think the actual best players of the server cared too much about DB stats, aside from the pure solo roamers chasing decent 1v1s.
BUT - they did play and they did try. If they died they respawned and tried again. Up until a year, or so, ago.

Now with Killboard being public the problem has regressed from a meme to a serious downgrade to how people play and pvp in the lakes is perceived.
It has even made said scenarios worse; (even if the level of play is higher than the Lazypeon days due to the server being low pop with only veterans remaining - conundrum huh?) you see plenty of AFKers or people borderline non participating. You see people playing royal guard to certain dps players farming demoralized PUGs (100% FOR Killboard stats, you know it)
Premades stop queueing the moment they clash with another premade (I think this wasn't this prevalent, but it might be anecdotal. It did use to happen.)

Then there might be shaming, the e-peen size farming, the attitude of slightly above average people bullying the average people while the top people continue being deluded by statwhoring.
To a certain extent this might sound dramatic, and it kind of is, but I legit think it's not healthy for this game.
This is not a 1v1 fighting game, it's not Magic Arena where I need to know how I fare versus a certain color deck or an archetype - and if I want to I can see that through Deathblow.

It contributes and leads to an already prevalent case of pixelphobia, which imo is the wrong way to play a PvP MMO.
You need to die and make mistakes in order to assess what is the right play, you need to die over and over again in order to learn what you can and cannot do.
You need to die to make the big boy plays.

My 2c.

If you like to die, if you have to die, if you wanna die if you need to die, it oke mate your choice.

Why do you bothering with the killboard.
In your mentality your lot of death only show us you learn a lot, probably for now you have a nobel prize.

So why do you shame your lot of death? Why do you want to delete it?

For me it seems everybody wants good k/r but not everybody can do it. Then who can do it wanna delete it.

This is the shame.

I aptly explained some reasons a killboard (and KDRwh0r!ng at large) might lead to a worse experience in a low pop PvP MMO.
It was a chunky wall of text. It is also a useful tool but the positives end with what Cyrylius (iirc) mentioned earlier in the thread.

I know your comprehension isn't the best due to a language barrier but chill with the passive aggression.
Not everyone cares about kdr in a game with vertical gear progression and so many variables and I believe people with your wannabe pubstar pathology make the server worse.
People like you sound like the bar brawler that keeps count on the drunk college kids he beat up while scoffing at cage fighters. Yet if you ever tried to spar or compete...


Shoddy metrics only add 2 things:
A kinda fun minigame.
And a whole lot of ego flexing.

And since there is no metric that will ever gauge how a stagger on the healer backline can save a fight, how correct heals over mindless aoe healspam will carry a fight, how correct distribution of AoE spells will have greater impact or how the right punt on the right person at the right angle will carry the fight etc, then the metrics are at best shoddy.
Excluded are the few good players that exclusively search for 1v1 fights with equally geared roamers, but killboard just upgraded DB in an official sense for them.

I think you die a lot in this game but you didnt learn to much from them.

I tell you again, and i saw Evil the also wrote it.
The hunting is a mentality and a behavior which is existed before the leaderboard and before this game.

If you are not a hunter and dont want to count your kills you can count your deaths.

There are also solo kill/d ratio so solo players can check their progress.
Again if you dont care you dont have to watch it or you can count how many you learned.

The leaderboard is a goal and a good motivation for lot of us.

It is not mandatory! Skip it, leave it!

Players who dont give their life for any nab will be exist, better player will be exist, demanding player will be exist and you can still learn a lot. Independent from the leaderboard.

Check the best k/d ratio players or guilds they are not cowards they are good you should accept it. I say it again you can see the kills on the map.
So your false argument is false from the very beginning.

But i think you already know it, you just shame your k/d ratio, i dont know why you said you need to die you learn from it. Maybe you should learn faster. If you have problem with it

"For me it seems everybody wants good k/d ratio but not everybody can do it. Then who can not do it wanna delete it."
SuperStar

Their are some strange ppl on this server.
You should respect the better players, especially the best of us. But you usually just jealous and moody. Idk why.

Not the leaderboards made the hunters but its a good tool of them.

And yeah i can imagine being a lifelong learner victim maybe not the best.

But i can suggest a free solution.
Dont see it.

Ps.: if you think without leaderboard you will be better player or the others will be worse. You are wrong. There will be always hunters and victims.

[Aluviya]

There are some strange ppl on this server.
You should respect the better players especially the best of us. But you are jealous and moody.
Idk why.

This is simply disrespectful, unnecessary. Additionaly all your statements so far were nothing but empty argumentations. I'd suggest for the health of this topic that you disclude yourself from this discussion.
PS: What makes you believe you can actually count yourself towards "the best of us"?

[SuperStar]

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There are some strange ppl on this server.
You should respect the better players especially the best of us. But you are jealous and moody.
Idk why.

This is simply disrespectful, unnecessary. Additionaly all your statements so far were nothing but empty argumentations. I'd suggest for the health of this topic that you disclude yourself from this discussion.
PS: What makes you believe you can actually to count yourself towards "the best of us"?

Iam not the best lol
Not even a good player.
Iam old and slow

I just respect the best of us, not just in this game.
Iam happy when they make a vid i try to learn what i can but i accept my limits. And i happy to see their limits.

Ppl wanna crucify the best k/d ratio players. Its not a healthy mentality. They called them cheater or coward. This is bad. We should accept our limits and learn to lose and accept there are some playa who better than us.


Ps: an example, if you delete the libra it wont solve your problem, but it is a good tool who wanna see his progress.

[Aluviya]

This topic is is a core problem and in my opinion heavily connected to the health of the server and its population. It's legit to discuss the effects of the leaderboard. There are good players, no doubt and there are players who achieve a good K/D ratio without a big effort - true. But there are also all the problems people already stated in this topic which have undoubtedly an impact: E.g. If you can't play for hours a discordant game because people are obviously stacking (to ensure a safe environment for their K/D ratio), you can't argue that this isn't harming a game. You simply discredit people by calling them moody with bringing no valid arguments so far. Just stay out of the discussion if you have nothing to say. If you claim that it won't "solve the problem" you apparently haven't understood what the problem is here.

[SuperStar]

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This topic is is a core problem and in my opinion heavily connected to the health of the server and its population. It's legit to discuss the effects of the leaderboard. There are good players, no doubt and there are players who achieve a good K/D ratio without a big effort - true. But there are also all the problems people already stated in this topic which have undoubtedly an impact: E.g. If you can't play for hours a discordant game because people are obviously stacking, you can't argue that this isn't harming the game. You simply discredit people by calling them moody with bringing no valid arguments so far. Just stay out of the discussion if you have nothing to say.

I had a lot to say unlike you.

You should read what i wrote to make a solid post or reply.

I try to write it very simple.

The leaderboard dont change the players at all.
The only difference now everybody can see them.

Ps: what you mentioned is not true no evidence ppl cheat to play disoriant sc i didnt see prove.
And if there are any, they would do it without the leaderboard.

Also every leaderboard lover like me knows the rvr kills count not the sc farm and ofcourse the solo kills.

[Bobbiom]

Funny because I was looking through the killboard the other day and thought to myself that this killboard is some great additional feature for the game.
I am pretty impressed that it tracks locations aswell as time and who was in on the kill.

As someone mentioned before would it be possible to track who was in the party aswell?
So tanks and healers get some of that light.

[Aluviya]

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This topic is is a core problem and in my opinion heavily connected to the health of the server and its population. It's legit to discuss the effects of the leaderboard. There are good players, no doubt and there are players who achieve a good K/D ratio without a big effort - true. But there are also all the problems people already stated in this topic which have undoubtedly an impact: E.g. If you can't play for hours a discordant game because people are obviously stacking, you can't argue that this isn't harming the game. You simply discredit people by calling them moody with bringing no valid arguments so far. Just stay out of the discussion if you have nothing to say.

I had a lot to say unlike you.

You should read what i wrote to make a solid post or reply.

I try to write it very simple.

The leaderboard dont change the players at all.
The only difference now everybody can see them.

Ps: what you mentioned is not true no evidence ppl cheat to play disoriant sc i didnt see prove.
And if there are any, they would do it without the leaderboard.

Also every leaderboard lover like me knows the rvr kills count not the sc farm and ofcourse the solo kills.

Let me write it very simple then too.
You are clearly missinformed here. All SC kills count towards the weeky killboard - In fact I've almost only played SC's this week and was on the leaderboard for a while. I assume you've checked all the past scenarios of the last month to safely say "there was not any stacking"? If not I'd like to refer to my previous post to stay out of this discussion.

[zayabis]

because of the crying ROR and turned into a cow pie.
complained about nb now complain about killboard

[Repulsion]

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If you like to die, if you have to die, if you wanna die if you need to die, it oke mate your choice.

Why do you bothering with the killboard.
In your mentality your lot of death only show us you learn a lot, probably for now you have a nobel prize.

So why do you shame your lot of death? Why do you want to delete it?

For me it seems everybody wants good k/r but not everybody can do it. Then who can do it wanna delete it.

This is the shame.

I aptly explained some reasons a killboard (and KDRwh0r!ng at large) might lead to a worse experience in a low pop PvP MMO.
It was a chunky wall of text. It is also a useful tool but the positives end with what Cyrylius (iirc) mentioned earlier in the thread.

I know your comprehension isn't the best due to a language barrier but chill with the passive aggression.
Not everyone cares about kdr in a game with vertical gear progression and so many variables and I believe people with your wannabe pubstar pathology make the server worse.
People like you sound like the bar brawler that keeps count on the drunk college kids he beat up while scoffing at cage fighters. Yet if you ever tried to spar or compete...


Shoddy metrics only add 2 things:
A kinda fun minigame.
And a whole lot of ego flexing.

And since there is no metric that will ever gauge how a stagger on the healer backline can save a fight, how correct heals over mindless aoe healspam will carry a fight, how correct distribution of AoE spells will have greater impact or how the right punt on the right person at the right angle will carry the fight etc, then the metrics are at best shoddy.
Excluded are the few good players that exclusively search for 1v1 fights with equally geared roamers, but killboard just upgraded DB in an official sense for them.

I think you die a lot in this game but you didnt learn to much from them.

I tell you again, and i saw Evil the also wrote it.
The hunting is a mentality and a behavior which is existed before the leaderboard and before this game.

If you are not a hunter and dont want to count your kills you can count your deaths.

There are also solo kill/d ratio so solo players can check their progress.
Again if you dont care you dont have to watch it or you can count how many you learned.

The leaderboard is a goal and a good motivation for lot of us.

It is not mandatory! Skip it, leave it!

Players who dont give their life for any nab will be exist, better player will be exist, demanding player will be exist and you can still learn a lot. Independent from the leaderboard.

Check the best k/d ratio players or guilds they are not cowards they are good you should accept it. I say it again you can see the kills on the map.
So your false argument is false from the very beginning.

But i think you already know it, you just shame your k/d ratio, i dont know why you said you need to die you learn from it. Maybe you should learn faster. If you have problem with it

"For me it seems everybody wants good k/d ratio but not everybody can do it. Then who can not do it wanna delete it."
SuperStar

Their are some strange ppl on this server.
You should respect the better players, especially the best of us. But you usually just jealous and moody. Idk why.

Not the leaderboards made the hunters but its a good tool of them.

And yeah i can imagine being a lifelong learner victim maybe not the best.

But i can suggest a free solution.
Dont see it.

Ps.: if you think without leaderboard you will be better player or the others will be worse. You are wrong. There will be always hunters and victims.

I have personally used the Killboard twice since it's implementation. I think it's nifty, especially for that "hunter" playstyle you espouse.

Evil is right that the underlying issues have existed in all MMOs but that doesn't mean that a KDR Leaderboard doesn't exacerbate them, at least in a community this "local" and small.

It might not, sure, and I don't really care if it does at the end of the day; BUT this is the idea I've gotten from watching how people play, talking with KDR

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wh0res

enjoyers such as yourself and playing the game since it went live.
I can't help but notice a correlation.

My main gripe is that people with your inflated ego and weird "hardcore Diablo 2" logic **** up scenarios by never reforming after a wipe and trying different targets/tactics - **** up oRvR when you don't help a 2v4 that is obviously winnable in the lakes BeCaUsE YoU MiGhT DiE - and actively make the game worse for some people in search of chasing your e-peen numbers and inflated ego.
The cherry on top is that you are rarely actually GOOD players but that might be, again, anecdotal.


Never did I say that removing it will alter in any way the performance of players - be it good or bad - and one of my favorite people in-game is a regular top 5 Killboard nearly every week who lives and breathes killboard stats. (but doesn't have pixelphobia and actually also hunts FIGHTS with a risk involved).
I'm not even sure that removing the death statistic will help anything, I'm only saying what I see and feel.
I've regularly had people emphatically tell the group they're sorry after our /5 roaming group dies to a zerg that could not have been seen or avoided.
Only after the killboard was introduced.
...why?

To your other insults about moodiness and jealousy I have nothing to say. Project some more and stay out of the scenario queues, HuNteR.