can someone explain?

[Valarion]

Why shaman can't cleanse AM dots, while Am can cleanse shaman?? Yet Shaman has racial tactics nerfed. Can some one please shed light on this subject so I can understand better?? thanks

Stop trying to balance this around 1v1. Its already balanced around group.

• Shamans have Ailments and cleanse Curses & Ailments

• AMs Hex and cleanse Hexes and Ailments

• Zealots Hex and cleanse Curses & Hexes

• RPs have Ailments and cleanse Curses & Ailments

• Doks Curse and can cleanse Ailments & Hex

• WPs Curse and can cleanse Curses & Hex

Shamans are at a disadvantage against AMs, but have the advantage over WPs and are on equal footing with RPs.

[Lion1986]

Stop trying to balance this around 1v1. Its already balanced around MELEE group.

Fixed for you sir.

[Sofong]

why bw can self cleanse?

[shoelessHN]

This game was originally designed around the three faction pairings. As High Elves are the bane of the green skins in Warhammer lore they receive certain small advantages in the game. AM cleanse is one example.

MJ wanted a three faction game. High Elves would only fight green skins and vice versa until one faction locked the pairing by taking the fort. That faction could then, "invade," the other pairings.

This idea was ****-canned by GW, for better or worse.

That doesnt sound right from lore perspective. Greenskins and HE had minimal contact with one little Grom invasion into Ulthuan.

Easiest solution would be to change shaman dots from ailments to curses.

Easiest solution would be to remove cleanse restrictions and allow every healer to cleanse any type of effect, perhaps with certain additional bonuses, general ones or if they cleanse specific type of effect. Argument could be easily made it would simplify game too much, but it also would made different cleanses closer in terms of quality. Main complaint of the topic is about AM vs Sham, but dont forget poor WP who doesnt cleanse WE/SH/Mara/Sham, 4 out of 5 destro heal inc heal debuffs, while cleaning only Chop.

No need to change the 2/3 mechanic if they just balanced the 4/4/4 classes and not 5/3/4 as it is.

Moving sham dots from ailments to curses would be 2/5 incoming that WP can cleanse. It would also balance the AM/Sham as neither would be able to cleanse each other's dots.

[Valarion]

why bw can self cleanse?

This game was designed around 12v12 (per Marc Jacobs) thats why. It wasnt designed around watering every class down to 1v1 panda parity.

[Sulorie]

The question is why are you trying to compare AM vs Shaman in an isolated setting when classes are designed to be combined together? Unless this is of course about solo roaming DPS AMs vs solo roaming DPS Shamans, in which case lol.


Archmages: how does it feel when a Zealot slots the tactic that puts their cleanse on no CD and just removes everything you apply?

We feel bullied and send you a Radiant Gaze only to notice, that you cleanse it as well.

[Battlefield]

so, hex is applied by engie, bw and am - classes with nasty dots, and shaman can't cleanse them? seems to be unbalanced.

Archmage can't cleanse debuff and dots from Sorcerer, debuff and snare effects from Choppa/Dok ... RP can't cleanse debuff and dots from Magus.

[Sinisterror]

so, hex is applied by engie, bw and am - classes with nasty dots, and shaman can't cleanse them? seems to be unbalanced.

Archmage can't cleanse debuff and dots from Sorcerer, debuff and snare effects from Choppa/Dok ... RP can't cleanse debuff and dots from Magus.

RoR has difference in cleansing vs AoR. I remember that every healer can cleanse 8 out of 12 classess in AoR dont know in RoR. If i remember right in aor i couldnt cleanse BW on Shaman but with WP i could cleanse shaman's which was very nice. Dont think i can cleanse Shaman in RoR with Dps WP.

But that difference is insane when u compare AM vs RP what they can cleanse : D

[Sofong]

why bw can self cleanse?

This game was designed around 12v12 (per Marc Jacobs) thats why. It wasnt designed around watering every class down to 1v1 panda parity.

when the so "elite players" do solo or pug, they only play op classes like bw, wl, wh, i wonder why

[wachlarz]

why bw can self cleanse?

This game was designed around 12v12 (per Marc Jacobs) thats why. It wasnt designed around watering every class down to 1v1 panda parity.

when the so called "elite players" do solo or pug, they only play op classes like bw, wl, wh, i wonder why

All order player seys this classes are weak