Does weapon skill armor penetration work?

[Coryphaus]

Right now every one is stacking tough and on live the best counter to that was stacking ws for armor pen.

Yesterday xaun, github, skuzz and a few other destro were testing something's the other day using duel stacking +str/ws gear instead of +str/tough showed no change in damage in combat log but both the combat log and duels are still bit buggy so were not sure if the data is right

But it should be mentioned that slotting Maras scything talons tactic showed no change in dmg either.

So does anyone know if armor pen works in RoR?

[zabis]

Has anyone tried any cross realm testing? Maybe it is implemented differently for duels, but works correctly when it's Order vs. Destro.

[xyeppp]

Has anyone tried any cross realm testing? Maybe it is implemented differently for duels, but works correctly when it's Order vs. Destro.

I tried with a White Lion after - with +40 WS on and off, I hit him for exactly the same amount of damage each hit with Plink - we looked at his HP left from 100%. It was the same in both cases.

The combat log actually shows a little increase of damage, but the damage increase in combat log is a) marginal, and b)still missing damage (eg. 6 mitigation less but only 3 more dmg, making a 3 get lost somewhere in math).
The combat log however does not matter, and in both cases the hits hit for exactly the same amount of damage, even though they display a bigger damage number on your screen.

[Coryphaus]

I cross tested with a nice slayer on Ordo I hit him a few times with flail first half I use sag stance with scything talons and second half of the time with monstro stance and their was no real change

[Tesq]

There is a post on github about ranged skill only, i add about wep skill in general. Seems the same case for tough before last patch, must be something about combat formula.

[Drendon]

Armor pen is % reduction take in mind that most classes have very low armor unless you are an heavy armor class. So, anyone care to try on an tank? Since the less armor you have, the less you will penetrate say that 25% of an lvl 20s maxxed "medium" armor equals 1-2% of their damage reduction wich in turn will show you those low numbers. 4 damage from 25% reduction could very well be 2% of a person wearing atleast 20% damage reduction. Briefly numbers, say that hes wearing 200 total armor (probaly more) and it hits 18-20% Physical reduction, making your 25% removal only 50 of that total armor leaving hem at 150, wich very well could just be 1-2% less rediction.

[xyeppp]

Armor pen is % reduction take in mind that most classes have very low armor unless you are an heavy armor class. So, anyone care to try on an tank? Since the less armor you have, the less you will penetrate say that 25% of an lvl 20s maxxed "medium" armor equals 1-2% of their damage reduction wich in turn will show you those low numbers. 4 damage from 25% reduction could very well be 2% of a person wearing atleast 20% damage reduction. Briefly numbers, say that hes wearing 200 total armor (probaly more) and it hits 18-20% Physical reduction, making your 25% removal only 50 of that total armor leaving hem at 150, wich very well could just be 1-2% less rediction.

Where is the damage from -mitigation going?
This is 4 Plinks, each equipping consecutively a jewel with +10str/+10ws, so my ballistic was a constant in every single one of them.
And I know the combat log is unreliable, which is why we tested with his HP left - in all cases it was the same amount of HP he was left with shot 1 time from 100% with Plink.

[Roggit]

Sounds good to me, as WS has never had anything to do with T - toughness reduces all dmg (magic and physical) and is countered with relevant attacker's stat (int or str, respectively). Weapon skill counters armor stacking (i.e. reduces % of defender's armor). As far as I remember first you calculate armor mitigation (taking WS/other sources of armor penetration into consideration) and then you apply toughness/strength/intelligence effects.

[xyeppp]

Sounds good to me, as WS has never had anything to do with T - toughness reduces all dmg (magic and physical) and is countered with relevant attacker's stat (int or str, respectively). Weapon skill counters armor stacking (i.e. reduces % of defender's armor). As far as I remember first you calculate armor mitigation (taking WS/other sources of armor penetration into consideration) and then you apply toughness/strength/intelligence effects.

I'm literally testing with a tank.

Plink:

112 WS - base, no +wep skill items - 14% armor pen
HP left 3614

129 WS - 16.1% pen < one and only change that mattered in damage was going from grey to green weapon skill after I equipped +17 WS Stabba in my Main Hand
HP left 3592

139 WS - 17.4% pen
HP left 3592
149 WS -18.6% pen
HP left 3592
159 WS - 19.9% pen
HP left 3592
169 WS - 21.1% pen
HP left 3592

What's the deal here? Doesn't make much sense

[iScuZZ]

Through pretty extensive play testing I've concluded that WS is not working AT ALL on ranged abilities. However, It seems to have a marginal effect on ranged auto attacks, melee auto attacks, and melee abilities.