If you are good, ppl will say you are a NB user. If you die like a pepega you will cry to nb user. It's been like this for years and it won't changeRumpel wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 4:58 pm Just live with it. This action is splitting the community. At least the ones not using it can still pump their ego beeing awesome playing without. And many like to watch porn while gaming. Without nb your have to decide what's first and the player pool is still shrinking.
I'll take your post literally.siglade wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 5:09 pmIf you are good, ppl will say you are a NB user. If you die like a pepega you will cry to nb user. It's been like this for years and it won't changeRumpel wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 4:58 pm Just live with it. This action is splitting the community. At least the ones not using it can still pump their ego beeing awesome playing without. And many like to watch porn while gaming. Without nb your have to decide what's first and the player pool is still shrinking.
What percentage of the population does it need to be a dealbreaker for before it's considered unacceptable? We've done big changes in the past that upset people, but that stuff was usually class related, and people would roll something else. This change not only affects an entire segment of people, but simultaneously demonizes them for using an addon that has been acceptable for the past decade. Is it 5% of your peak population disappearing overnight? 10%? What's the number where you would draw the line and say "Well maybe there were more people than we thought who rely on this to enjoy the game."? Is it 20% of players that just see their game is broken and don't feel like fighting it? There's plenty of other alternatives out there.nonfactor wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 1:58 pmI mean it is not the end of the world. Do I think that it is another bad change? Yes. Is it a dealbreaker for me after investing so much time? No. I wish I had the addon and nothing good comes out of blocking it but you get used to terrible changes and feeling of helplessness after playing on this server for some time. They could have done it better, warned the players months or weeks in advance to allow addon makers to adapt to their change and create a sequencebuilder without conditionals. I do not need it but there were few people with disabilities (who even wrote in this very thread) that relied on it.
Extremely well written post, I am very surprised that we share the same view on everything but why would you risk that coinflip when the playerbase is already small and, what is more important, there is no clear benefit? Because what is the benefit of removing Nerfed Buttons exactly? It is not like retired players will come back to the game because Nerfed Buttons is removed but you will, 100%, lose some players. Naturally you should not give in to people saying that they will quit the game if you do not bring it back but now that you removed it people will make a scapegoat out of something else like good old xrealming. From a developer's point of view, what good came out of removing NB?
id never think id agree with you,words of truthwargrimnir wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 5:21 pmWhat percentage of the population does it need to be a dealbreaker for before it's considered unacceptable? We've done big changes in the past that upset people, but that stuff was usually class related, and people would roll something else. This change not only affects an entire segment of people, but simultaneously demonizes them for using an addon that has been acceptable for the past decade. Is it 5% of your peak population disappearing overnight? 10%? What's the number where you would draw the line and say "Well maybe there were more people than we thought who rely on this to enjoy the game."? Is it 20% of players that just see their game is broken and don't feel like fighting it? There's plenty of other alternatives out there.nonfactor wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 1:58 pmI mean it is not the end of the world. Do I think that it is another bad change? Yes. Is it a dealbreaker for me after investing so much time? No. I wish I had the addon and nothing good comes out of blocking it but you get used to terrible changes and feeling of helplessness after playing on this server for some time. They could have done it better, warned the players months or weeks in advance to allow addon makers to adapt to their change and create a sequencebuilder without conditionals. I do not need it but there were few people with disabilities (who even wrote in this very thread) that relied on it.
For what gain? So you feel a little better when someone makes a good play in PvP and you don't have to worry they kicked your ass with a fairly bad macro system? I notice a lot of people pissing on NB who simultaneously say they've never used it like ignorance is some point of pride they should wear as a badge. It only has the potential to work in the worst possible way people frame it when the stars align and the moon is in full eclipse. You can't truly call a 15 button NB string remotely reliable, it just doesn't work that way. At best you can get 4 or 5 skills in a string before it starts performing badly, and that's without a lot of conditionals.
The strong point is only using it as a cast sequencer in the way you would expect a cast sequencer to work in most games that actually have them, which yes, those games do exist in the MMO industry. You put some of your basic skills on a couple buttons depending on how you would use them at any given time, you put some of your conditional skills on one button if they share the same function. You have to choose when to use them accurately, you have to position correctly, you need group support, you need to know your targets, you need to recognize equipment so you're not fighting someone in full sov when you're in anni. It's not simply use NB and win fights, you're still going to lose a lot of the time. It helps bad players get a little better, and lazy players enjoy a dead old game with too many skills. It helps put all your potions on one button, and your 2 or maybe 3 oh-**** survive buttons on one button. It saves space on the keyboard so you aren't dicking around with shift/ctrl/alt modifiers nearly as often, because you know hitting the windows key or alt-tab is real healthy in the heat of a fight. Real fair right.
Coming from the perspective of a lot of people here talking about skill there sure doesn't seem to be much concern for competition. Isn't Ranked struggling to find matches? Do you not see the connection that some people would have with using NB because they otherwise don't feel competitive enough to perform there? There sure doesn't seem to be a lot of respect for the players who have been here as long as everyone else. You really think alienating your own community is healthy over an addon that's been used for a decade is a good idea? Disabilities are one very legitimate reason to use it, sure. But the horror stories spread by people that don't use it in the first place, about how the evil NB users have some wildly unfair advantage are very stretched.
Most people are a bit lazy, or see NB as a way to fix skills that otherwise suck. The ones that use it for an advantage aren't in the tier of highly competitive players anyway, but they can hang with them for a little bit, which is good if you want competition. Kicking the crutch out from under a player who is trying to perform at a high level is a coin flip whether they step up or find something else to do. Demonizing them in the process make that less of a coin flip, and more a likelihood they simply leave a community they no longer feel like they're a part of or welcome in.
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