Where does a Black Ork fit in now??

[Duukar]

- Mate stop exaggerating pls - BO with CRD was over performing. Every one knows that. So if you build your all game experience on the such char ask yourself was it worth that, was it fair ?

In first place BO got CRD as a trade of, couple of years ago, as a part of general tank redesign and currently he should not have it still. BG got Crimson Death vs Knight DT was nerfed and OS moved to defend-able skill (i dont want count other Knight nerfs or should I). Chosen lost old Coruptive power (i dont remember old tc name but it was Raking Talons on steroids). SM lost stack-able resist debuff (the only one on order) and absorb from Phantom blade, got RT ( its not over-performing tc by any means especially when BO has Saving me Hide for free ). BO got You wot but thk was locked to 2h and Big Bravlin nerfed. In sum Destro ends in plus as a conter to order BW morale drop meta which was op as fu..those days. But gues what CP was back (a bit diferent but still) and there is not morale drop meta any more so the balance move in destro favour even further. So now if old THK or BB move to old version all should be fine.
SM - issue
I personally would leave old sm ww version how it was considering BO lost CDR. But i guess improving it its a attempt to make SM more appealing to players. Its last played tank in the game who knows why . If current version will be over-performing it always can be reverse. But i personally doubt that because
1. There is no enough sm-s to realy use it.
2. Additional aoe interrupt every 20 sek does not increase sm performance much if there is no very specific situations (however having ww on demand is nice and allow sm-s play a bit more predictably). Lets wait and see.

BTw if i would ask dev team to do something special for destro tanks - especialy snb i would rather point towards snb BG not BO

Keep in mind, some of the people playing have only been here since 2020 and have little notion of what the game has been like for the past decade. For them CDR was the most important thing BO has ever had with no perspective on how they worked before. Part of this is because they were trained that CDR spec was the only viable reason their class would be accepted into group settings.

We do have plans for Chosen/KoBS, and I suspect no matter how carefully we adjust it, there's going to be this same situation in a couple months when we implement it. But that's the only way balance happens.

You are right. I joined in May 2020. The only life on Blork I know is with CDR. Yes bringing it has been a requirement of every WB ive ever played in unless being 2H for ST party or just having fun and messing around.. Every Single One.

I have educated myself on the topic, however, enough to know that prior to the addition of CDR Big Brawling was a 40% snare and THC was available to SnB users.. Both substantial buffs to the kit which are now missing.

A spammable 40% snare is HUGE utility in WB play and being able to use THC to help finish off a target is very attractive in small man and potentially ST group play..

I can't wait to see how you nerf Chosen and KOTBS. Are you planning on having any tanks left? or are you anticipating the 2/2/2 meta will die after nerfing healers and tanks? I mean that is what you are implying with your post here? please help me if i am mistaken.

You increase the damage DoK and Wp take substantially, while not wrong, giving more weight to DPS. Then you nerf tanks giving more weight to DPS. Do you expect more people to play heals and tanks or less after your attempts at balance are done?

Playing as tank and heals for most players is a sacrifice done for the greater good. Some masochists truly enjoy it, i guess im one of the masichists. You keep reducing the impact tanks have and making healers fall over faster how much longer til dedicated tanks like myself roll DPS and say why bother? a Marauder or Slayer is looking pretty good to me at this point. Unguarded tho??? no.

Like it or not I represent two very important cross sections of your player base. Dedicated tanks and players new as of 2020. I play both SM and BO.. BO to bis 1h and 2h. Maybe you should make me an RC????

[Bozzax]

- Mate stop exaggerating pls - BO with CRD was over performing. Every one knows that. So if you build your all game experience on the such char ask yourself was it worth that, was it fair ?

In first place BO got CRD as a trade of, couple of years ago, as a part of general tank redesign and currently he should not have it still. BG got Crimson Death vs Knight DT was nerfed and OS moved to defend-able skill (i dont want count other Knight nerfs or should I). Chosen lost old Coruptive power (i dont remember old tc name but it was Raking Talons on steroids). SM lost stack-able resist debuff (the only one on order) and absorb from Phantom blade, got RT ( its not over-performing tc by any means especially when BO has Saving me Hide for free ). BO got You wot but thk was locked to 2h and Big Bravlin nerfed. In sum Destro ends in plus as a conter to order BW morale drop meta which was op as fu..those days. But gues what CP was back (a bit diferent but still) and there is not morale drop meta any more so the balance move in destro favour even further. So now if old THK or BB move to old version all should be fine.
SM - issue
I personally would leave old sm ww version how it was considering BO lost CDR. But i guess improving it its a attempt to make SM more appealing to players. Its last played tank in the game who knows why . If current version will be over-performing it always can be reverse. But i personally doubt that because
1. There is no enough sm-s to realy use it.
2. Additional aoe interrupt every 20 sek does not increase sm performance much if there is no very specific situations (however having ww on demand is nice and allow sm-s play a bit more predictably). Lets wait and see.

BTw if i would ask dev team to do something special for destro tanks - especialy snb i would rather point towards snb BG not BO

Keep in mind, some of the people playing have only been here since 2020 and have little notion of what the game has been like for the past decade. For them CDR was the most important thing BO has ever had with no perspective on how they worked before. Part of this is because they were trained that CDR spec was the only viable reason their class would be accepted into group settings.

We do have plans for Chosen/KoBS, and I suspect no matter how carefully we adjust it, there's going to be this same situation in a couple months when we implement it. But that's the only way balance happens.

Uhm it os not like CDR was suddenly added. It was part of a very poor redesign/revamp where BO lost most of it’s util.

-No CD bellows
-SnB thc
-(Double weapon skill biff - was done bf as a bigfix)
-40% snare > 20% snare
-No core NiDF (moved mid tree that you normally don’t spec out of wb)
-The 20% reduced dmage has been on bugtracker for 3-5y +
-Morale nerf

+CDR
+New meme 13pts abilities where added
+(Absorb etc was also added)

I don’t play the class anymore (since revamp)
I don’t think BOs should have CDR

Removing CDR don’t put BOs where ”they were” but instead in a really akward spot with most util stripped and lacking. I see they were good before CDR being passed around from peopöe that don’t know what before was.

[detrap]

The change to snare seems warranted considering what would be the point of bringing a Blackguard for theirs.

[Bozzax]

BOs shouldn’t have 40% snare back (to strong). Not my point at all or CDR (I think it was a poor band aid)

BOs were fine bf true but removing CDR don’t put them back.

[Earthcake]

But who cares how they were before ?
(got 1st anniversary cloack on my BO btw, so I also played BO "before")

The question is "where r they NOW compared to other tanks ?"

Before CDR removal they were on top.
Now, they are not anymore, but are they really the worst ?
And even if they are, which I don't think so, they are far from unplayable.

[Bozzax]

”Far from unplayable” - GG

[Earthcake]

Another IB main offering their view gg

I'm a tank main.
Both sides.
And my BO is fine atm.
SM stronger, but you don't compete with SMs do you ?

[Bozzax]

Ok mr IB main with a 40/5X bo good to hear

[Earthcake]

Ok mr IB main with a 40/5X bo good to hear

That wld actually be enough to beat most of the BO I read comments from since last patch tbh.
But no, a bit higher.

[Duukar]

But who cares how they were before ?
(got 1st anniversary cloack on my BO btw, so I also played BO "before")

The question is "where r they NOW compared to other tanks ?"

Before CDR removal they were on top.
Now, they are not anymore, but are they really the worst ?
And even if they are, which I don't think so, they are far from unplayable.

I agree, not unplayable at all. I’m just not sure what my identity is anymore. Like where do I fit in the big picture and also the smaller picture.

For example Chosen have very strong auras and long ST punt. This makes them a STRONG choice for WB play and ST group and Ranked.

BGs have well established 2H meta and mega punt that makes them godly in ST groups and Ranked and SC play. Not as much in WB as their shield spec lacks utility.

BO...... Well we don’t have a spot in Ranked. We don’t have a spot in the ST group, at least not meta. WB play we have some minor useful items like stat steal(unspecced it’s 75 not 114 from 2H) and group absorb for like 580 in BiS every 10 sec not every 5 sec as no more CDR. Literally nothing to justify not bringing another chosen to cover more Auras and ST punt.

BO are good tanks no doubt but they lack the utility and flavour the other tanks bring.

SM on the other hand is all sorts of fun now and stacks utility and impact like no other tank in the game. Also it’s tons of fun.

Even IBs who are crapped on all the time have great identity and a solid place in ranked and ST and WB play guarding slayers.

The Blork is the only one without an identity and a real reason to make people say “oh man we really need a Blork!” Except in PvE.......