Where does a Black Ork fit in now??

[Duukar]

I think this is an overreaction. Yeah it is a nerf, but BO's morale to m4 in 60 secs was incredibly overpowered and not balanced on the other side. Who'd you give it to? SM, IB? Seriously....

The cool down reducer mechanic is still much easier for BO than it is for SM and it is at 11 rather than 13 in the tree, meaning you can also still go middle tree for 13, which is pretty nice. I'd still want the cool down reducer in every party. Order couldn't get enough SM before for a WW that granted immunities that didn't make sense. Tell me how the BOs tactic still isn't better than WW.

It looks to me if BO has a bunch of punt options with mor' hardcore too.

Every class in this game could be tweaked a bit. The recent changes seem reasonable, but I understand why people don't like nerfs, even when they are over performing.

WAHHHGGG no longer reduces cool down.....................................................................................................................................................

[Lokiusus]

The cool down reducer mechanic is still much easier for BO than it is for SM and it is at 11 rather than 13 in the tree, meaning you can also still go middle tree for 13, which is pretty nice. I'd still want the cool down reducer in every party. Order couldn't get enough SM before for a WW that granted immunities that didn't make sense. Tell me how the BOs tactic still isn't better than WW.

Did you read the patch notes? The CDR got removed from blork.

[Duukar]

SnB BO is still a better pick for the 2nd tank spot than the SnB BG for any warband, 4x knight/chosen is baseline for both realms, so the leftover 2 tanks compete, before the changes BG had 0 chance to get picked over a BO, do you think your fellow BG players were so much happy ? You are overreacting a bit and BO still offer morale pump+m3, Da Greenest, Rock Ard both BG and chosen does not.

BG dominates the 1 or 2 ST tank slots.. always has.. BG and BO are on even footing basically for the last 2 slots.. Its not good.. BG have a niche only they fill.. BO no longer does....

[agemennon675]

SnB BO is still a better pick for the 2nd tank spot than the SnB BG for any warband, 4x knight/chosen is baseline for both realms, so the leftover 2 tanks compete, before the changes BG had 0 chance to get picked over a BO, do you think your fellow BG players were so much happy ? You are overreacting a bit and BO still offer morale pump+m3, Da Greenest, Rock Ard both BG and chosen does not.

BG dominates the 1 or 2 ST tank slots.. always has.. BG and BO are on even footing basically for the last 2 slots.. Its not good.. BG have a niche only they fill.. BO no longer does....

So they deserve only 1 spot, what is stopping a BO to roll 2h build and fill that ST group tank role in a warband? Nothing

[Duukar]

SnB BO is still a better pick for the 2nd tank spot than the SnB BG for any warband, 4x knight/chosen is baseline for both realms, so the leftover 2 tanks compete, before the changes BG had 0 chance to get picked over a BO, do you think your fellow BG players were so much happy ? You are overreacting a bit and BO still offer morale pump+m3, Da Greenest, Rock Ard both BG and chosen does not.

BG dominates the 1 or 2 ST tank slots.. always has.. BG and BO are on even footing basically for the last 2 slots.. Its not good.. BG have a niche only they fill.. BO no longer does....

So they deserve only 1 spot, what is stopping a BO to roll 2h build and fill that ST group tank role ? Nothing

Blork is weak in the 2H role of ST party.. Dont you know anything about City composition??? Chosen and 2H BG are the ST tanks.. The only way Blork gets a spot in Meta city WBs is if there is a lack of chosen..

[ChicagoJoe]

I amend my previous post. I thought it was unchanged. I can see the concerns. It looks like an over correction but let’s see. Losing the morale boost may have been enough to balance the class. Not sure the WS toughness boost will work, but it could help the melee train if it stacks.

[ufthakk]

SnB BO is still a better pick for the 2nd tank spot than the SnB BG for any warband, 4x knight/chosen is baseline for both realms, so the leftover 2 tanks compete, before the changes BG had 0 chance to get picked over a BO, do you think your fellow BG players were so much happy ? You are overreacting a bit and BO still offer morale pump+m3, Da Greenest, Rock Ard both BG and chosen does not.

BG dominates the 1 or 2 ST tank slots.. always has.. BG and BO are on even footing basically for the last 2 slots.. Its not good.. BG have a niche only they fill.. BO no longer does....

So they deserve only 1 spot, what is stopping a BO to roll 2h build and fill that ST group tank role in a warband? Nothing

no st punt. wondering how city wb looks now, 7 choosen and 1 bg ?

[j2low]

as soon as you have solved this topic, plz directly go on an answer the exact same question on IB.

ty!

[ufthakk]

Everything isn't about beeing meta. I only strapped on a shield while doing cities/forts anyway and had no intention to continue doing cities with off sov and wl done. The ability to get into city wbs certainly changed but still all wbs need tanks and only a few wbs are super fussy about exact composition (tbh this change is worse for shamans/msh which relied on cd decreaser). Roaming the lakes in a small group as 2h hasn't changed. Still fun to be had.

If roaming is they only thing u wanna do it's fine, but last week we also had skull thumper nerfed. me bo feelz saad!

Don't get me wrong, the BO for sure needs a st punt and some new snb utility. Gameplay hasn't changed tho, beeing a waagh-bot wasn't particularly fun. I never liked the concept of cd decreasers so will be happy for some other utility. That they replaced it what that uther trash tactic tho is mindboggling.

true i didn't like the waaagh guard bot situation, but we had 2 nerfs in 2 weeks. bo's now the tank that u take if really nothing else is available.

[ufthakk]

as soon as you have solved this topic, plz directly go on an answer the exact same question on IB.

ty!

maybe theres a bg topic u can post on, ib is better then bo.