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"Morale is more than a special ability."

Post#1 » Wed May 19, 2021 10:29 pm

During my first two months of playing this game and reliving 2012-2013 lil lad me, I've noticed a few things.

First, playing solo breeds toxicity.
Ever solo queue for a scenario and find yourself getting destroyed? Almost like the other faction is a... oh no it must be a PREMADE! Those basterds! How dare they form a group to play a team-based objective PvP scenario! The NERVE!
yeah, that was me, I used to get so frustrated running into premades that I saw them as almost cheating or a bad thing to see happen. Still to this day if I solo queue and come across 1 I notice my pug team start to complain "premade this, premade that" and they just give up. They start to lose by a huge margin and point fingers. "Order is OP their BW is so much better than our Sorc or WP is so broken." "Destro just being destro...." "Dev's are Order biased" etc. etc. As a solo player, it was never "my" fault my team was losing it was always "Order just has better mirrors, its fact."
So that was my life playing this game for the first month, friggen sucked. Every Scenario made me was to play a diff class or get frustrated with how destro feels like shitty order cousins.
So what changed you may be thinking? I FOUND A FRIEND! crazy right? was this Chosen dood who just asked "Hey wanna start a group for scenario spam?" and I said well sure. After that day of playing scenarios as a group versus a solo my whole gameplay experienced changed drastically. I was the premade! and it felt so rewarding! We coordinated i.e. we would call out which target to focus on or which objective to attack or when to regroup. Once I was in a party setting the scenario changed from "me going to focus healer because as a DPS that is the only thing that matters", to "Where does my party need me at the most? How can I work collectively to push our agenda?" Plus the strangest thing, it was always more fun to fight against another premade, even when we lost I didnt have the outlook of "gah frick Order, they are OP!" it changed to a "How can I better utilize my tool kit next time? Maybe I should assist the ST dps? or shoot I really should have peeled for my healer when that WH bounced em."
Ever since that day I've been finding parties or creating them before a que, even if I dont know the people just being in that collective mindset before the match changes everything!

Second, numbers/winning doesn't equal fun, and I'd argue starts to feel like you log on to work instead of playing a game.
This is more of my perspective from playing orvr this past month and what I found enjoyable. Playing in a warband is great when numbers feel even. bing in a flank WB is the most fun imo. At one point I'd log on and find destro is rollen through keeps etc and it started to feel like a follow the leader type game mode. was dull and just weeewoo my 48 vs your 24 haha get rekted.
I find oddly rolling with a small group to perform back-line assassin starts the most fun! stealing objectives while under AAO and pulling some of order off the keep and just being a nuisance is great when doing it with friends! Yeah we are outnumbered and losing the keep but hey we can really become a pest and perform hit and run strats :twisted:

Third, having 1 - 2 other people you look forward to playing this game with changes everything.
The last point I really want to drive in is simple yet hard? Finding some people you like to party with and do things with changes this game completely. Logging on to push "o" and see aye! Klumzziie is online! and play some game modes with those people makes the time fly by and you walk away win or lose having a good time. I found these people just joining a random party before queuing for a scenario. Ever since then I get pretty bored if I'm playing the solo mans trying to complete a team-based game.

If you take anything at all from reading this and you are either a solo or someone with friends who plays this game, take this...

"Moral is more than a special ability."

And if you are on Destro and wanna party up for anything send me a whisper @Kurocav or @Kurocavaa

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arorwne
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Re: "Morale is more than a special ability."

Post#2 » Wed May 19, 2021 11:05 pm

Kurocava wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 10:29 pm During my first two months of playing this game and reliving 2012-2013 lil lad me, I've noticed a few things.

First, playing solo breeds toxicity.
Ever solo queue for a scenario and find yourself getting destroyed? Almost like the other faction is a... oh no it must be a PREMADE! Those basterds! How dare they form a group to play a team-based objective PvP scenario! The NERVE!
yeah, that was me, I used to get so frustrated running into premades that I saw them as almost cheating or a bad thing to see happen. Still to this day if I solo queue and come across 1 I notice my pug team start to complain "premade this, premade that" and they just give up. They start to lose by a huge margin and point fingers. "Order is OP their BW is so much better than our Sorc or WP is so broken." "Destro just being destro...." "Dev's are Order biased" etc. etc. As a solo player, it was never "my" fault my team was losing it was always "Order just has better mirrors, its fact."
So that was my life playing this game for the first month, friggen sucked. Every Scenario made me was to play a diff class or get frustrated with how destro feels like shitty order cousins.
So what changed you may be thinking? I FOUND A FRIEND! crazy right? was this Chosen dood who just asked "Hey wanna start a group for scenario spam?" and I said well sure. After that day of playing scenarios as a group versus a solo my whole gameplay experienced changed drastically. I was the premade! and it felt so rewarding! We coordinated i.e. we would call out which target to focus on or which objective to attack or when to regroup. Once I was in a party setting the scenario changed from "me going to focus healer because as a DPS that is the only thing that matters", to "Where does my party need me at the most? How can I work collectively to push our agenda?" Plus the strangest thing, it was always more fun to fight against another premade, even when we lost I didnt have the outlook of "gah frick Order, they are OP!" it changed to a "How can I better utilize my tool kit next time? Maybe I should assist the ST dps? or shoot I really should have peeled for my healer when that WH bounced em."
Ever since that day I've been finding parties or creating them before a que, even if I dont know the people just being in that collective mindset before the match changes everything!

Second, numbers/winning doesn't equal fun, and I'd argue starts to feel like you log on to work instead of playing a game.
This is more of my perspective from playing orvr this past month and what I found enjoyable. Playing in a warband is great when numbers feel even. bing in a flank WB is the most fun imo. At one point I'd log on and find destro is rollen through keeps etc and it started to feel like a follow the leader type game mode. was dull and just weeewoo my 48 vs your 24 haha get rekted.
I find oddly rolling with a small group to perform back-line assassin starts the most fun! stealing objectives while under AAO and pulling some of order off the keep and just being a nuisance is great when doing it with friends! Yeah we are outnumbered and losing the keep but hey we can really become a pest and perform hit and run strats :twisted:

Third, having 1 - 2 other people you look forward to playing this game with changes everything.
The last point I really want to drive in is simple yet hard? Finding some people you like to party with and do things with changes this game completely. Logging on to push "o" and see aye! Klumzziie is online! and play some game modes with those people makes the time fly by and you walk away win or lose having a good time. I found these people just joining a random party before queuing for a scenario. Ever since then I get pretty bored if I'm playing the solo mans trying to complete a team-based game.

If you take anything at all from reading this and you are either a solo or someone with friends who plays this game, take this...

"Moral is more than a special ability."

And if you are on Destro and wanna party up for anything send me a whisper @Kurocav or @Kurocavaa
1 + 3: Sure, but keep in mind, even god damn drudgery becomes better in a good company. Hell, people liked WAR(as in a conflict, not the game) because they found comrades they shared rows with etc. This advice should be quite obvious and unnecessary.

2: The entire game's too numbers focused. Plus, what does it mean to "have fun"? I don't know, that often seems kinda weird to me. I rarely find myself "having fun", unless I reflect and notice that I did have it.

4: What about people like me? I'm a lone wanderer who plays RoR only because Warhammer or, more exactly, because there is no other Warhammer Fantasy RPG of even 1 / 10th of this scale. How should I enjoy myself, when EVERYTHING is stacked against me? People regularly troll or dismiss me, I get into quarrels(because people won't LISTEN!) and it feels like an uphill battle. Keep in mind, the base gameplay is very satisfying and, ofc, Warhammer Fantasy, but...you understand. PvP, for example, is an endgame activity to me. Which is quite :shock: to most people(the purple bar is one of the most toxic systems I ever saw). I really want to enjoy this game, but...all advice welcome!

(basically: my morale is low)

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Re: "Morale is more than a special ability."

Post#3 » Thu May 20, 2021 12:38 am

arorwne wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 11:05 pm
1 + 3: Sure, but keep in mind, even god damn drudgery becomes better in a good company. Hell, people liked WAR(as in a conflict, not the game) because they found comrades they shared rows with etc. This advice should be quite obvious and unnecessary.

2: The entire game's too numbers focused. Plus, what does it mean to "have fun"? I don't know, that often seems kinda weird to me. I rarely find myself "having fun", unless I reflect and notice that I did have it.

4: What about people like me? I'm a lone wanderer who plays RoR only because Warhammer or, more exactly, because there is no other Warhammer Fantasy RPG of even 1 / 10th of this scale. How should I enjoy myself, when EVERYTHING is stacked against me? People regularly troll or dismiss me, I get into quarrels(because people won't LISTEN!) and it feels like an uphill battle. Keep in mind, the base gameplay is very satisfying and, ofc, Warhammer Fantasy, but...you understand. PvP, for example, is an endgame activity to me. Which is quite :shock: to most people(the purple bar is one of the most toxic systems I ever saw). I really want to enjoy this game, but...all advice welcome!

(basically: my morale is low)
My homie, the best advice I can give you is to open up to 1 person, just one, and play with them doing things. Even if you lose you didn't lose alone. Plus you may meet more people along the way :D
Fun for me doesn't rely on a win it more relies on "how was my personal experience?" or more so "how was I contributing?". Aslong as I know I did my best and really tried. Win or lose I take away the experience of what I did right and what I can improve on. if you are destro add me I'll be on tonight! i live in AZ MST :)

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Re: "Morale is more than a special ability."

Post#4 » Thu May 20, 2021 9:32 am

Kurocava wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 12:38 am
arorwne wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 11:05 pm
1 + 3: Sure, but keep in mind, even god damn drudgery becomes better in a good company. Hell, people liked WAR(as in a conflict, not the game) because they found comrades they shared rows with etc. This advice should be quite obvious and unnecessary.

2: The entire game's too numbers focused. Plus, what does it mean to "have fun"? I don't know, that often seems kinda weird to me. I rarely find myself "having fun", unless I reflect and notice that I did have it.

4: What about people like me? I'm a lone wanderer who plays RoR only because Warhammer or, more exactly, because there is no other Warhammer Fantasy RPG of even 1 / 10th of this scale. How should I enjoy myself, when EVERYTHING is stacked against me? People regularly troll or dismiss me, I get into quarrels(because people won't LISTEN!) and it feels like an uphill battle. Keep in mind, the base gameplay is very satisfying and, ofc, Warhammer Fantasy, but...you understand. PvP, for example, is an endgame activity to me. Which is quite :shock: to most people(the purple bar is one of the most toxic systems I ever saw). I really want to enjoy this game, but...all advice welcome!

(basically: my morale is low)
My homie, the best advice I can give you is to open up to 1 person, just one, and play with them doing things. Even if you lose you didn't lose alone. Plus you may meet more people along the way :D
Fun for me doesn't rely on a win it more relies on "how was my personal experience?" or more so "how was I contributing?". Aslong as I know I did my best and really tried. Win or lose I take away the experience of what I did right and what I can improve on. if you are destro add me I'll be on tonight! i live in AZ MST :)
My way of playing is very eclectic(at least for this game), so...I don't have high hopes of really finding a lot of like minded people. PvE leveling -> SC endgame is what I'm looking for. But most people I come across get offended that I don't care about the purple bar(really...but really a cancerous game system). And, to top it off, I don't really like scheduling myself around others(and other hard relation based stuff).

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Re: "Morale is more than a special ability."

Post#5 » Thu May 20, 2021 9:51 am

The PvE Community is quite small.
But sooner or rather later Tanks decide they want to go 2hander and need that Bastion Stair Gear, and everything before that.
And most guilds thrive for a regular dungeon runner.

If you don't need purple rain that is cool.
But if you want to do Scenarios in Endgame you actually need it. Or get it out of loosing enough SCs.

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Re: "Morale is more than a special ability."

Post#6 » Thu May 20, 2021 9:54 am

Glorian wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 9:51 am The PvE Community is quite small.
But sooner or rather later Tanks decide they want to go 2hander and need that Bastion Stair Gear, and everything before that.
And most guilds thrive for a regular dungeon runner.

If you don't need purple rain that is cool.
But if you want to do Scenarios in Endgame you actually need it. Or get it out of loosing enough SCs.
It takes time to get to BS. And, as I said, I'm more of a lone wolf. Not really a guild person. I do need gold though, any advice there?

Besides, I'm almost finished with what I want to do. Level my Slayer and my Sorceress and I'm done. Honestly, I am. Then I can take pictures of my characters, of the world etc and just goof around.

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Re: "Morale is more than a special ability."

Post#7 » Thu May 20, 2021 2:26 pm

For gold just grind low level PQs to get all the gear and you will have dye drops in between.
Black can be sold at any vendor for 4 Gold.

Or go Cultivating.
50 Majestic Goldweed, 200er Stabilizers sell for 10 Gold.

arorwne
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Re: "Morale is more than a special ability."

Post#8 » Thu May 20, 2021 3:17 pm

Glorian wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 2:26 pm For gold just grind low level PQs to get all the gear and you will have dye drops in between.
Black can be sold at any vendor for 4 Gold.

Or go Cultivating.
50 Majestic Goldweed, 200er Stabilizers sell for 10 Gold.
Where do you get these Cultivation items? I don't mind some more gold, especially on Destro side.

Any PQs you have in mind? I don't really know the names of your pairing PQs(never went outside of Marshes...idk, something's sapping my will to play there), feel free to suggest Empire or HE ones though.

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