so let me understand this

[havartii]

how is AM vs Shaman duel is even relevant here?

its being nerfed because it has been terribly outpeforming for years (and still is)

I would argue a lot of skills out perform others but that's what gives class identity and randomness to the rock /paper/scissors game play (cough-rampage)

[Grock]

yeah but how is a DUEL between them relevant lol

[lyncher12]

at least all the soloer noobs who quit because of shamans came back and the game is so much more lively

[havartii]

how is AM vs Shaman duel is even relevant here?

its being nerfed because it has been terribly outpeforming for years (and still is)

I would argue a lot of skills out perform others but that's what gives class identity and randomness to the rock /paper/scissors game play (cough-rampage)

I would also like to add that shaman is under performing in a lot of ways due to a broken mechanic and no group HOT. Furry of the Green is a nice skill but depends on other classes to proc.

[Feuerzehe]

best idea ever NERF all order chars again then maybe you can fight destro vs destro maybe then all your problems are gone

[havartii]

best idea ever NERF all order chars again then maybe you can fight destro vs destro maybe then all your problems are gone

how about we just be a little more fair when buffing and nerfing

[Rapzel]

Where's all the Destro white knights when you need them?

When someone questions one of their classes they are all over the thread but when someone is questioning an Order class they are silent. It's actually strange... you would think they would have their pitchforks out esp. when it comes to the mythical class, WL.

Havartii you should try playing an AM. If you have issues kiting a WL as a shaman i'm sure you'll have fun kiting any melee Destro class as an AM. Also trying to make the EoV spec work when you have one less CD reducer AND the one you have is tired to actually hitting the target and is tired to one of the least played classes and roles on Order side.

Try giving another class a go... i'm sure you relog to your Shaman quite fast and feel... well... satisfied with what you have.

Why? Because this is completely grasping for straws, it's just as stupid as thinking Run Away is the strongest tactic in the game.
The whole post is absurd.
Why on earth would someone struggle because a speed increase is slightly adjusted?
Would RP be unplayable if Stoutness of Stone was nerfed? Say the immunity gets halved as well, no RP would still be playable.
Both Shaman and AM are underperforming in in 6vs6 compared to the other healers, but that's not because racial tactics, that's because they do not bring the same utility as the other healers.
In WBs both Shaman and AM are needed because of the morale pump.

[havartii]

Where's all the Destro white knights when you need them?

When someone questions one of their classes they are all over the thread but when someone is questioning an Order class they are silent. It's actually strange... you would think they would have their pitchforks out esp. when it comes to the mythical class, WL.

Havartii you should try playing an AM. If you have issues kiting a WL as a shaman i'm sure you'll have fun kiting any melee Destro class as an AM. Also trying to make the EoV spec work when you have one less CD reducer AND the one you have is tired to actually hitting the target and is tired to one of the least played classes and roles on Order side.

Try giving another class a go... i'm sure you relog to your Shaman quite fast and feel... well... satisfied with what you have.

Why? Because this is completely grasping for straws, it's just as stupid as thinking Run Away is the strongest tactic in the game.
The whole post is absurd.
Why on earth would someone struggle because a speed increase is slightly adjusted?
Would RP be unplayable if Stoutness of Stone was nerfed? Say the immunity gets halved as well, no RP would still be playable.
Both Shaman and AM are underperforming in in 6vs6 compared to the other healers, but that's not because racial tactics, that's because they do not bring the same utility as the other healers.
In WBs both Shaman and AM are needed because of the morale pump.

I would not call a 10 sec cooldown on a 25% chance to proc a slight adjustment. It pretty much says no you don't get to run you have to eat shirt now. Is shaman still playable.. yea of course but it took a big hit to an already struggling class.

[Rapzel]

Where's all the Destro white knights when you need them?

When someone questions one of their classes they are all over the thread but when someone is questioning an Order class they are silent. It's actually strange... you would think they would have their pitchforks out esp. when it comes to the mythical class, WL.

Havartii you should try playing an AM. If you have issues kiting a WL as a shaman i'm sure you'll have fun kiting any melee Destro class as an AM. Also trying to make the EoV spec work when you have one less CD reducer AND the one you have is tired to actually hitting the target and is tired to one of the least played classes and roles on Order side.

Try giving another class a go... i'm sure you relog to your Shaman quite fast and feel... well... satisfied with what you have.

Why? Because this is completely grasping for straws, it's just as stupid as thinking Run Away is the strongest tactic in the game.
The whole post is absurd.
Why on earth would someone struggle because a speed increase is slightly adjusted?
Would RP be unplayable if Stoutness of Stone was nerfed? Say the immunity gets halved as well, no RP would still be playable.
Both Shaman and AM are underperforming in in 6vs6 compared to the other healers, but that's not because racial tactics, that's because they do not bring the same utility as the other healers.
In WBs both Shaman and AM are needed because of the morale pump.

I would not call a 10 sec cooldown on a 25% chance to proc a slight adjustment. It pretty much says no you don't get to run you have to eat shirt now. Is shaman still playable.. yea of course but it took a big hit to an already struggling class.

Unlucky.
All other mobility has pretty much been nerfed as well, morale root was nerfed (mara/WL/IB), no one cried. Does shaman and am need some tweaking when it comes to their utility and healing?
Sure, but you don't suggest that the absorbs get stronger or their buffs and debuffs get improved, you whine about a tactic that has zero impact when it comes to healing and then try to hide behind Dev bias and how "WL was unnerfed" and as I interpret it you think it should be reverted.
How has zealot, am and RP survived all this time then if they haven't had access to RUN AWAY?

[havartii]

I don't wish WL to be un buffed, I do think the nerf to shaman was a bit much with nothing in return. As I have stated I wish they would have given Shaman a bit of a buff to healing in return , I even gave a simple example of how they could merge 2 tactics greenclean' and scrub ya good . (archmage should get this as well) To give them more of a roll in group play. Zealot and Ruin priest are much better healers. Must I explain how? Seems I need to know every single class and debate that to think Shamans nerf was a bit harsh. Zealot has 2 group HoT as well as flash heals. Not to mention they have a self moral boost that can get them to focused mind very fast. Putting out serious heals and immunities. Ruin priest Is close to the Zealot but instead of the self moral pump can stack armor and be very tanky , gets flash heals and 2 group HoTs/ ap for group . Trust me I have every healer and know the mechanics for everyone.