do we have a balance problem?

[balvor877]

Slayer being the best MDPS in the game (not that much better than Choppa) under ideal conditions doesn't excuse the imbalance everywhere else. Not everyone is interested in playing the class just because it's strong.

That's the only thing left Destro can cry about. Actually only Rampage because beside Rampage the Choppa is stronger. Everything else got already mirrored to Destro or nerfed in favor of Destro.

[p00ky]

why a topic for that?
you have the answer of your question.

because its a forum where i can post stuff. stuff like this i think. or i misunderstood the meaning of the forum?

Im pretty sure there was a tie or difference by 1 in the city scores and during prime time a few days ago. How come you dont post about that one too?

This is like Trump fake news

[emiliorv]

how stupid to claim for balance about CD decreasers when you (order) still refuses to play the only that you have....
how stupid is claim to get better melees when you (order) have access to the most overtuned mdps and still refuses to play...

7 instances of solopuggers with totally imbalanced wbs got stomped by proper wbs => nothing new, indeed its totally balanced...the problem will be if that PUG wbs were winning vs organized wbs

The stark contrast between the cooldown decreasers on Order (WW) and Destro (CF, WAAGH) has already been outlined. Whether it is used or not is irrelevant.

Slayer being the best MDPS in the game (not that much better than Choppa) under ideal conditions doesn't excuse the imbalance everywhere else. Not everyone is interested in playing the class just because it's strong.

Oh, you wanna talk about things that one realm have and other dont?? Sure:
-Order have access to unique ability which nullify the whole tank archetype, 66% uptime and really low on mastery tree wich make it accesible in any spec.
-Order have access to a CD increaser which can be UNDEFENDABLE (in the hands of any decent player)
-Order have access to unique group wounds buff in a core class of any grp (wich means that any order grp is running around with +630 hp)
-Order have access to unique outgoing heal buff (+20%) in a core class (most played healer), close to 100% uptime in any decent player
....

Still you playing meme-classes, soloqueing and getting farmed

Whether it is used or not is irrelevant. => yes its relevant. if you dont use the tools you have how the hell can complain to get more?? its like buying a second car when the 1st never came out the garage...

[CeeJay89]

how stupid to claim for balance about CD decreasers when you (order) still refuses to play the only that you have....
how stupid is claim to get better melees when you (order) have access to the most overtuned mdps and still refuses to play...

7 instances of solopuggers with totally imbalanced wbs got stomped by proper wbs => nothing new, indeed its totally balanced...the problem will be if that PUG wbs were winning vs organized wbs

The stark contrast between the cooldown decreasers on Order (WW) and Destro (CF, WAAGH) has already been outlined. Whether it is used or not is irrelevant.

Slayer being the best MDPS in the game (not that much better than Choppa) under ideal conditions doesn't excuse the imbalance everywhere else. Not everyone is interested in playing the class just because it's strong.

Oh, you wanna talk about things that one realm have and other dont?? Sure:
-Order have access to unique ability which nullify the whole tank archetype, 66% uptime and really low on mastery tree wich make it accesible in any spec.
-Order have access to a CD increaser which can be UNDEFENDABLE (in the hands of any decent player)
-Order have access to unique group wounds buff in a core class of any grp (wich means that any order grp is running around with +630 hp)
-Order have access to unique outgoing heal buff (+20%) in a core class (most played healer), close to 100% uptime in any decent player
....

Still you playing meme-classes, soloqueing and getting farmed

Whether it is used or not is irrelevant. => yes its relevant. if you dont use the tools you have how the hell can complain to get more?? its like buying a second car when the 1st never came out the garage...

Pitiful and predictable. Nothing you said needs to be addressed that hasn't been addressed hundreds of times before. They don't excuse or validate the imbalances between realms and classes.

Also, it isn't relevant. You're objectively wrong and you're exactly what's wrong with the game as it stands. Good luck, boyo.

[piekser]

-Order have access to unique outgoing heal buff (+20%) in a core class (most played healer), close to 100% uptime in any decent player

It is a incoming heal buff not for the grp
It is a tactic
It cost 8 mastery points

Oh, you wanna talk about things that one realm have and other dont?? Sure:
-Order have access to unique group wounds buff in a core class of any grp (wich means that any order grp is running around with +630 hp)

- Destru have access to unique AOEwounds debuff in a core class of any grp (wich means that any order is running around with -750 hp)

[Gurf]

Oh, you wanna talk about things that one realm have and other dont?? Sure:
-Order have access to unique ability which nullify the whole tank archetype, 66% uptime and really low on mastery tree wich make it accesible in any spec.
-Order have access to a CD increaser which can be UNDEFENDABLE (in the hands of any decent player)
-Order have access to unique group wounds buff in a core class of any grp (wich means that any order grp is running around with +630 hp)
-Order have access to unique outgoing heal buff (+20%) in a core class (most played healer), close to 100% uptime in any decent player
....

Still you playing meme-classes, soloqueing and getting farmed

Whether it is used or not is irrelevant. => yes its relevant. if you dont use the tools you have how the hell can complain to get more?? its like buying a second car when the 1st never came out the garage...

Its 33% uptime in practical terms, the only way to get it always on 20second Rampage is to continually exhaust which then gimps the Slayers Damage
The CD increaser is nullified by all the cooldown decreasers Destro have, as already explained, it is maximum 3 second increaser with decreasers being 5 seconds, so Destro healers wont notice a difference
Wounds buff good yeah, but can be severed, and viewed in the context of wounds debuffs going around
I have tested the +%20 heal buff and I have found overall there is very little difference in heal output between that and slotting Discipline, and there are only so many tactic slots to go around

...Try again

[Charon]

how stupid to claim for balance about CD decreasers when you (order) still refuses to play the only that you have....
how stupid is claim to get better melees when you (order) have access to the most overtuned mdps and still refuses to play...

7 instances of solopuggers with totally imbalanced wbs got stomped by proper wbs => nothing new, indeed its totally balanced...the problem will be if that PUG wbs were winning vs organized wbs

The stark contrast between the cooldown decreasers on Order (WW) and Destro (CF, WAAGH) has already been outlined. Whether it is used or not is irrelevant.

Slayer being the best MDPS in the game (not that much better than Choppa) under ideal conditions doesn't excuse the imbalance everywhere else. Not everyone is interested in playing the class just because it's strong.

Oh, you wanna talk about things that one realm have and other dont?? Sure:
-Order have access to unique ability which nullify the whole tank archetype, 66% uptime and really low on mastery tree wich make it accesible in any spec.
-Order have access to a CD increaser which can be UNDEFENDABLE (in the hands of any decent player)
-Order have access to unique group wounds buff in a core class of any grp (wich means that any order grp is running around with +630 hp)
-Order have access to unique outgoing heal buff (+20%) in a core class (most played healer), close to 100% uptime in any decent player
....

Still you playing meme-classes, soloqueing and getting farmed

Whether it is used or not is irrelevant. => yes its relevant. if you dont use the tools you have how the hell can complain to get more?? its like buying a second car when the 1st never came out the garage...

- ohhh boy rampage again ---- simple combo msh + bg is doing more than this skill against all enemies around and in hands of decent players rampage is so easy to counter.
- the same with wounds buff ..its blessing good sake - should i tell you how to cleanse it ..... whats more don't you have access to common liniments that are more reliable in this department ....Take out rampage from sl and what "advantage" will stay at order. And still GTDC>rampage (if you want complain rather about ID) in hands of decent player.
- Exalted defences vs khains withdrawal, transferred focus etc (wp vs docks there were also a lot of conversations about that and they are rather close to each other in heal spec ..so lets compare dps ones maybe)

[emiliorv]

-Order have access to unique outgoing heal buff (+20%) in a core class (most played healer), close to 100% uptime in any decent player

It is a incoming heal buff
It is a tactic
It cost 8 mastery points

Its outgoing
its a core tactic (costs nothing)

learn about your realm

-Order have access to unique group wounds buff in a core class of any grp (wich means that any order grp is running around with +630 hp)

- Destru have access to unique AOEwounds debuff in a core class of any grp (wich means that any order is running around with -750 hp)

BG its not a core class
A debuff needs to be applied and have a limited duration => 10 s in this case, while buff duration its 1h
1 bg cant debuff a whole grp unless you are stacked in melee range

[Nosun]

There is no balance problem whatever side the organized 2/2/2 groups in discord are playing are the winners. End of story.

[emiliorv]

Spoiler:

The stark contrast between the cooldown decreasers on Order (WW) and Destro (CF, WAAGH) has already been outlined. Whether it is used or not is irrelevant.

Slayer being the best MDPS in the game (not that much better than Choppa) under ideal conditions doesn't excuse the imbalance everywhere else. Not everyone is interested in playing the class just because it's strong.

Oh, you wanna talk about things that one realm have and other dont?? Sure:
-Order have access to unique ability which nullify the whole tank archetype, 66% uptime and really low on mastery tree wich make it accesible in any spec.
-Order have access to a CD increaser which can be UNDEFENDABLE (in the hands of any decent player)
-Order have access to unique group wounds buff in a core class of any grp (wich means that any order grp is running around with +630 hp)
-Order have access to unique outgoing heal buff (+20%) in a core class (most played healer), close to 100% uptime in any decent player
....

Still you playing meme-classes, soloqueing and getting farmed

Whether it is used or not is irrelevant. => yes its relevant. if you dont use the tools you have how the hell can complain to get more?? its like buying a second car when the 1st never came out the garage...

- ohhh boy rampage again ---- simple combo msh + bg is doing more than this skill against all enemies around and in hands of decent players rampage is so easy to counter.
- the same with wounds buff ..its blessing good sake - should i tell you how to cleanse it ..... whats more don't you have access to common liniments that are more reliable in this department ....Take out rampage from sl and what "advantage" will stay at order. And still GTDC>rampage (if you want complain rather about ID) in hands of decent player.
- Exalted defences vs khains withdrawal, transferred focus etc (wp vs docks there were also a lot of conversations about that and they are rather close to each other in heal spec ..so lets compare dps ones maybe)

CD reducers can be shattered too => whats the problem then?