City Warbands and Pugs class issues

[TreefAM]

making a 2/2/2 /5 wb is tryharding lmao
solo pugs deserve to be farmed

[heybaws]

making a 2/2/2 /5 wb is tryharding lmao
solo pugs deserve to be farmed

Dude, i have no time to type "/5 classname lf wb" i'm not a nerd like you lol

[Rapzel]

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What I don't understand is why it has to be such a hard issue of "learn to play or **** off"? That was kind of my point, there will ALWAYS be people who put in more effort and people who put in less. So someone will always have to **** off until only the absolute top of the top are left. You even mention "low pop" server yet here we are, me trying to explain how heavily beating down people who put less effort and denying them the chance to even participate lowers the population (fairly obvious).

And all I hear is how "entitled" people are here, yet this isn't some alternate alien universe of existence populated by lizard people, it's a game played by the same people other games are. You're not going to magically change people into obedient little slaves for you to smash while they continuously provide you with meat, people want to be able to enjoy themselves. And that's the crux of the issue - enjoyment. I don't believe anyone really gives a damn about getting defeated in a city, you get your medals, it doesn't take long. What matters is the fun, which just simply isn't there. And this goes for nearly everything - do I complain if I get beaten when I pug? No. But I do hate it when I have to basically sit there, afk and am actually unable to play the game and need to wait until it's over. What kind of a "game" is that to you? Regardless, your opinion of "people are overly entitled, sucks to be you, expect to get destroyed if you're not on other people's level" is the utterly overwhelming opinion of anyone vocal enough to care, so my argument is basically useless. Sadly there's only one single viewpoint here and the others are shouted down.

Oh and who said there's the two extremes of "effort gets you nothing" or "no effort gets you nothing"? There's a middle ground where you get to equally participate but are rewarded differently. And many other balancing efforts. But we're still at the "no effort gets you nothing" level for much of the game.

You get to participate, up to the final.

If you don't enjoy it why do you play it?
You could be out in the other open zones and/or play scs while city is going on, or whatever you enjoy to do.
You already get royal crests in zone-bags which allow you to gear up your character to the absolute end gear without ever having to endure a single city.
The game literally already caters and tries to take care of casual players as best it can.

I'm denied a piece of content. I'm also denied scenarios outside the one pug scenario, serious orvr play since I won't get into the big premades and generally get obliterated and denied to play in the open field.

For some bizzarre reason everyone like you seems to think what casuals want is to win and get gear. Casuals want to participate. The problem is full denial of fun. And if you somehow get that point across, all you get is "quit if you don't like it". Which is baffling considering hardcore players are the ones who play the game more, so they should care about its dwindling playerbase more.

You are not denied anything, you are denying it yourself.
You are allowed to solo queue city, you're allowed to solo queue any sc (except for 6vs6 ranked) in rotation.
You don't want to lose, because you get less rewards i.e. you want to win and get gear because that's fun, trying to hide behind "getting stomped by tryhards isn't fun" doesn't change that fact.
If I don't want to participate in a certain part of a MMO I can't expect to reap the rewards that are given to the people that play part. If I only wish to play PvP in WoW I will be limited by the rewards that are given to me through PvP, If I don't want to play Dungeons I can't expect to have good enough gear to play Raids by just questing, because there's a way of progression that I need to accept.
This is not the case in RoR, I don't need anything but 40/40 to enter a city instance, will I lose with a 40/40 character with rainbow gear, without pots and some solo build against a premade wb?
Yes.
Have I put the effort into win?
No.
Yet you keep complaining about how you are somehow denied the city content, can you specify what this content is?
What keeps you from queuing SCs that are not the current PUG?

I've met a lot of players who enjoy the solo experience of MMORPGs and I understand what they enjoy to a certain point, but none of them have complained about how they are locked out of content because they choose to play solo, because they knew they were going to be locked out from certain aspects of the game going into the game solo, but from the solo players on these forums I just see moaning and complaining about how hard it is for them and how the devs keep ruining their experience (there's a a lot of players that play solo and enjoy it, but they don't complain on the forums about it on a daily basis).
I started as a solo player, played solo for about 2-3 years before I started grouping with people, so I know what it's like being a "casual solo player" but as a solo player I never set up any expectations or felt that I was entitled to having the BiS, I did as best as I could with what I had and I had a lot of fun while doing it trying to find builds that worked for how I wanted to play.

[Vandoles]

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You get to participate, up to the final.

If you don't enjoy it why do you play it?
You could be out in the other open zones and/or play scs while city is going on, or whatever you enjoy to do.
You already get royal crests in zone-bags which allow you to gear up your character to the absolute end gear without ever having to endure a single city.
The game literally already caters and tries to take care of casual players as best it can.

I'm denied a piece of content. I'm also denied scenarios outside the one pug scenario, serious orvr play since I won't get into the big premades and generally get obliterated and denied to play in the open field.

For some bizzarre reason everyone like you seems to think what casuals want is to win and get gear. Casuals want to participate. The problem is full denial of fun. And if you somehow get that point across, all you get is "quit if you don't like it". Which is baffling considering hardcore players are the ones who play the game more, so they should care about its dwindling playerbase more.

You are not denied anything, you are denying it yourself.
You are allowed to solo queue city, you're allowed to solo queue any sc (except for 6vs6 ranked) in rotation.
You don't want to lose, because you get less rewards i.e. you want to win and get gear because that's fun, trying to hide behind "getting stomped by tryhards isn't fun" doesn't change that fact.
If I don't want to participate in a certain part of a MMO I can't expect to reap the rewards that are given to the people that play part. If I only wish to play PvP in WoW I will be limited by the rewards that are given to me through PvP, If I don't want to play Dungeons I can't expect to have good enough gear to play Raids by just questing, because there's a way of progression that I need to accept.
This is not the case in RoR, I don't need anything but 40/40 to enter a city instance, will I lose with a 40/40 character with rainbow gear, without pots and some solo build against a premade wb?
Yes.
Have I put the effort into win?
No.
Yet you keep complaining about how you are somehow denied the city content, can you specify what this content is?
What keeps you from queuing SCs that are not the current PUG?

I've met a lot of players who enjoy the solo experience of MMORPGs and I understand what they enjoy to a certain point, but none of them have complained about how they are locked out of content because they choose to play solo, because they knew they were going to be locked out from certain aspects of the game going into the game solo, but from the solo players on these forums I just see moaning and complaining about how hard it is for them and how the devs keep ruining their experience (there's a a lot of players that play solo and enjoy it, but they don't complain on the forums about it on a daily basis).
I started as a solo player, played solo for about 2-3 years before I started grouping with people, so I know what it's like being a "casual solo player" but as a solo player I never set up any expectations or felt that I was entitled to having the BiS, I did as best as I could with what I had and I had a lot of fun while doing it trying to find builds that worked for how I wanted to play.

You're stuck in the same idea that I don't want to lose because I get less rewards and I want to win and get gear because that's fun, which is utterly and completely wrong and an assumption you've pulled out of literally nowhere. Basically everything you wrote is an assumption based on your idea that everyone has fun the same way you have fun. While we're putting words in each others mouth and assuming random things out of thin air, there's no reason whatsoever to continue this.