From the first fight we know it's over.

[Tillbeast]

System is not perfect, its actually really bad but you just have to grin and bear it. You can manipulate the queue to your favour as both destro and order. Just queue as late as possible on order to avoid the destro pre mades trying to garauntee themself a spot and a better chance of hitting the pug destro wbs just joining to desperatly get a city pop and as destro queue asap as you both pretty much garauntee you avoid order pre mades and get a spot pretty regularly.

You will never get the big guilds from either factions championing the pre made vs pre made cause as it is not what they want. PUGs equals easy gear. I can already hear the members of the big guilds disagreeing with me but has anyone ever seen a forum post from a member of the big guilds asking for pre made vs pre made to be made easier? No you will not.

mate

take one second

take a step back

remove the emotion from your debate

think about it logically

THINK ABOUT THE LOGISTICS

first how do you define a "premade"

how many guilds can field a "premade"

how many alliances can field a "premade"

look at ranked scenario problems for 6 MAN (this is even worse for WARBAND LEVEL and time of day and time window LMAO)

and you WANT TO IMPOSE THIS ON 24 MAN... do you realise how messed up this is? this is griefing and thats why you get the response you do from us... i do not care if we get easy vs pugs or hard fought vs lob/mont ... I want to be treated as equal... you have to fight everyone eventually there is no hiding, no complaints only on self if bring weak setup. You want premades to not get pop, you want to avoid them so you get a easier time, instead of improve yourself and beat premades and yes non premade can beat a premade because ultimately we are just players.

Dont want to impose anything on anyone just its obvious how to avoid destro pre mades as order. Destro cannot wait to queue, they have to queue immediately else risk not getting a city to pop and miss out whereas order have the choice to wait due to population inbalace when cities pop. Wait till 10 or so cities are running before queueing as they have a good chance of being destro pre mades garaunteing themselves a spot. Myself I just take what I get and feel lucky if I get a city instance

[Wam]

perfect, condescension returns again. So very well I know nothing and you know everything.

where did i say you know nothing? i just said you apparently seem to lack knowledge of server history which with the way how you posted things tells me its true, not knowing the guild you complain about do exactly as you did (swap sides to weaker) and before it was cool

The thing you complain about the big bad premades wanting to dominate and have their way... (well hello that is what most guilds are based on, teamwork and improvement together) and you want your own way of Segregating the big bad premades so they become someone else's problem because they effect your chances of winning because you do not put in similar effort. You want them to Que and have no que pops (looking at you ranked sc)

So you want your own way, but effecting negatively others own way...

where the big bad premades just want to be treated as Equal.

Also by segregating you make the system which you complain about, even worse than it is... which again is hypocrisy (less pops, less variation of opposition) this is a private server and our population is limited, but yeah lets just make a seperate system for a underpopulated part so they get less action.

If premade vs premade can barely function at a 6 man level, how come you advocate for 24 man level which logistically has even more moving parts and given the time of day is even harder to pull off?

[Martok]

Posted edited because reasons.

[chookette]

what stands out is the contempt found in some messages. I wish you that the average population does not tire of these end-game elements. You will be able to continue to have your certainties.

[Tillbeast]

System is not perfect, its actually really bad but you just have to grin and bear it. You can manipulate the queue to your favour as both destro and order. Just queue as late as possible on order to avoid the destro pre mades trying to garauntee themself a spot and a better chance of hitting the pug destro wbs just joining to desperatly get a city pop and as destro queue asap as you both pretty much garauntee you avoid order pre mades and get a spot pretty regularly.

You will never get the big guilds from either factions championing the pre made vs pre made cause as it is not what they want. PUGs equals easy gear. I can already hear the members of the big guilds disagreeing with me but has anyone ever seen a forum post from a member of the big guilds asking for pre made vs pre made to be made easier? No you will not.

The "big guilds" fight whatever they find in the istance without complaining every single time.People who bring shitty composition in an istance should not complain.We fight pug and we fight premades with the same spirit.Ofc vs pug the fight is quite boring but we cant pick the enemies and for the pugs equals gear i think in guild every main char is full sov by ages ...If you pug you should expect to lose .Don't wanna lose?Don't queue.

I am not bothered winning or losing I was just explaining to the original poster how to give themselves a better chance of avoiding pre mades. Yes the big guilds fight whatever in front of them but would rather fight PUGs.

[Wam]

System is not perfect, its actually really bad but you just have to grin and bear it. You can manipulate the queue to your favour as both destro and order. Just queue as late as possible on order to avoid the destro pre mades trying to garauntee themself a spot and a better chance of hitting the pug destro wbs just joining to desperatly get a city pop and as destro queue asap as you both pretty much garauntee you avoid order pre mades and get a spot pretty regularly.

You will never get the big guilds from either factions championing the pre made vs pre made cause as it is not what they want. PUGs equals easy gear. I can already hear the members of the big guilds disagreeing with me but has anyone ever seen a forum post from a member of the big guilds asking for pre made vs pre made to be made easier? No you will not.

mate

take one second

take a step back

remove the emotion from your debate

think about it logically

THINK ABOUT THE LOGISTICS

first how do you define a "premade"

how many guilds can field a "premade"

how many alliances can field a "premade"

look at ranked scenario problems for 6 MAN (this is even worse for WARBAND LEVEL and time of day and time window LMAO)

and you WANT TO IMPOSE THIS ON 24 MAN... do you realise how messed up this is? this is griefing and thats why you get the response you do from us... i do not care if we get easy vs pugs or hard fought vs lob/mont ... I want to be treated as equal... you have to fight everyone eventually there is no hiding, no complaints only on self if bring weak setup. You want premades to not get pop, you want to avoid them so you get a easier time, instead of improve yourself and beat premades and yes non premade can beat a premade because ultimately we are just players.

Dont want to impose anything on anyone just its obvious how to avoid destro pre mades as order. Destro cannot wait to queue, they have to queue immediately else risk not getting a city to pop and miss out whereas order have the choice to wait due to population inbalace when cities pop. Wait till 10 or so cities are running before queueing as they have a good chance of being destro pre mades garaunteing themselves a spot. Myself I just take what I get and feel lucky if I get a city instance

yes, that is the right mentality to have, its RNG based, sometimes you lucky, sometimes you are not... you can join a premade win each stage and get bad luck on rolls, or you can join a pug lose each stage and get more luck on bags and still come out "winner" and more than if you joined a winner instance.

The issue is people who scream bloody murder and want to punish teaming... where teaming should be encouraged, there is nothing stopping people from grouping up and forming guilds, teaming regular and improving for cities. But only few people want to lead, and yes it can be demanding and tiring. So people rather complain and champion change which is bad for server health for own selfish reasons.

I've known a few premade guilds on order que manipulate to avoid us plenty of times, especially if they had a rough encounter by their usual standards.

one of the hardest instances we had was rank 2 altdorf vs lob and co... its like they fought anyone else they win, we fight anyone else we win... our alliance kept bumping into each other that week(3 or 4 times)... its nice to fight them time to time (usually if we had bad setup for top tier cuz RNG) don't even care so much about win or lose anymore with pepega setups, as it is what it is.

[Kaelang]

Would be interesting to see your composition - and if you was full pug, i.e. no discord. Semi-pug, using discord. Or a guild group.

[Wam]

System is not perfect, its actually really bad but you just have to grin and bear it. You can manipulate the queue to your favour as both destro and order. Just queue as late as possible on order to avoid the destro pre mades trying to garauntee themself a spot and a better chance of hitting the pug destro wbs just joining to desperatly get a city pop and as destro queue asap as you both pretty much garauntee you avoid order pre mades and get a spot pretty regularly.

You will never get the big guilds from either factions championing the pre made vs pre made cause as it is not what they want. PUGs equals easy gear. I can already hear the members of the big guilds disagreeing with me but has anyone ever seen a forum post from a member of the big guilds asking for pre made vs pre made to be made easier? No you will not.

The "big guilds" fight whatever they find in the istance without complaining every single time.People who bring shitty composition in an istance should not complain.We fight pug and we fight premades with the same spirit.Ofc vs pug the fight is quite boring but we cant pick the enemies and for the pugs equals gear i think in guild every main char is full sov by ages ...If you pug you should expect to lose .Don't wanna lose?Don't queue.

I am not bothered winning or losing I was just explaining to the original poster how to give themselves a better chance of avoiding pre mades. Yes the big guilds fight whatever in front of them but would rather fight PUGs.

Id rather fight Cntk and bitterstones, and maybe line by line as technically they are a new guild and cross them off list of fighting everyone

Unless you think these are pugs? I've fought other "premades" and "pugs" no complaints, just variety and its weird not to get matched with our old enemies but i assume they dont que as frequently as we do.

[Tillbeast]

There could be a system installed to help avoid the PuG vs Premade scenario but it would change how citys are queued for. I personally would have a 30 min period where people could form warbands either pug or premade and join. However no instance starts until after the formation period has passes giving the system time to assign pairings and fill up 6/12/18 groups with pugs. Each class has its own value. Add the 24 members value together and match them with closest rivals warband. The competetive guilds will have warband scores very close to each other whereas pugs will have very different scores. Not perfect but surely something like this is better than the current system

[Tillbeast]

The "big guilds" fight whatever they find in the istance without complaining every single time.People who bring shitty composition in an istance should not complain.We fight pug and we fight premades with the same spirit.Ofc vs pug the fight is quite boring but we cant pick the enemies and for the pugs equals gear i think in guild every main char is full sov by ages ...If you pug you should expect to lose .Don't wanna lose?Don't queue.

I am not bothered winning or losing I was just explaining to the original poster how to give themselves a better chance of avoiding pre mades. Yes the big guilds fight whatever in front of them but would rather fight PUGs.

Id rather fight Cntk and bitterstones, and maybe line by line as technically they are a new guild and cross them off list of fighting everyone

Unless you think these are pugs? I've fought other "premades" and "pugs" no complaints, just variety and its weird not to get matched with our old enemies but i assume they dont que as frequently as we do.

Who would not want to face 24 engineers in a city Although feel sorry for the poor git who triggers 24 land mines