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thedonkeykong332
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warlord/sov as dps shaman

Post#1 » Thu May 07, 2020 8:59 pm

Hey guys,
I am a dps shaman, I calculated the 4 different varieties i can get by mixing the two sets, I would like your help what would provide me the best DPS.

Option A = 33% magic crit + 105mpower
Option B = 37% magic crit + 51mpower
Option C = 28% magic crit + 150mpower
Option D = 40% magic crit + 31mpower

This is pure magic crit and magic power increase, excluding any int bonuses.

Would love to hear your minds
Thanks :)

New edit recalculated again option C clear Winner, that's the final calculation.

checked with ranked sc gear
seems like
5warlord/3ranked sc = best dps.
Last edited by thedonkeykong332 on Fri May 08, 2020 12:26 pm, edited 3 times in total.

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Re: warlord/sov as dps shaman

Post#2 » Thu May 07, 2020 9:38 pm

thedonkeykong332 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:59 pm Hey guys,
I am a dps shaman, I calculated the 4 different varieties i can get by mixing the two sets, I would like your help what would provide me the best DPS.

Option A = 33% magic crit + 63magic power
Option B = 37% magic crit + 9mpower
Option C = 28% magic crit + 108mpower
Option D = 40% magic crit + (-11magicpower)

This is pure magic crit and magic power increase, excluding any int bonuses.

Would love to hear your minds
Thanks :)
Edit:
According to my math option C wins

Sulorie
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Re: warlord/sov as dps shaman

Post#3 » Thu May 07, 2020 10:01 pm

thedonkeykong332 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:59 pm Hey guys,
I am a dps shaman, I calculated the 4 different varieties i can get by mixing the two sets, I would like your help what would provide me the best DPS.

Option A = 33% magic crit + 63magic power
Option B = 37% magic crit + 9mpower
Option C = 28% magic crit + 108mpower
Option D = 40% magic crit + (-11magicpower)

This is pure magic crit and magic power increase, excluding any int bonuses.

Would love to hear your minds
Thanks :)
Post again with the crit you get from armor+jewel only, as we don't know your other stats. I for example go with 35% crit and 104 magic power without liniment.
Dying is no option.

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Re: warlord/sov as dps shaman

Post#4 » Thu May 07, 2020 10:07 pm

AM is a 150% crit class, so every point of crit is worth 0.5% increased damage on paper. Figure out what mp is worth and weigh them.

And the other thing to understand is while the higher MP lower crit option might be more spreadsheet dps on a patchwork type fight, this game is all about burst and there is inherent value in crit that math can't show.

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Re: warlord/sov as dps shaman

Post#5 » Thu May 07, 2020 10:39 pm

Sulorie wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 10:01 pm
thedonkeykong332 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:59 pm Hey guys,
I am a dps shaman, I calculated the 4 different varieties i can get by mixing the two sets, I would like your help what would provide me the best DPS.

Option A = 33% magic crit + 63magic power
Option B = 37% magic crit + 9mpower
Option C = 28% magic crit + 108mpower
Option D = 40% magic crit + (-11magicpower)

This is pure magic crit and magic power increase, excluding any int bonuses.

Would love to hear your minds
Thanks :)
Post again with the crit you get from armor+jewel only, as we don't know your other stats. I for example go with 35% crit and 104 magic power without liniment.
My default stats are : as they are right now:
26% magic crit , belt + 36mag pwer + genesis 36 magic power + 23 magic power chest + 42 magic power staff, I forgot to include my chest + staff in the calculations, so u can add to hose numbers 42+23which is = 65
so all the magic power u see can be added +65 to it.

Sulorie
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Re: warlord/sov as dps shaman

Post#6 » Thu May 07, 2020 11:01 pm

thedonkeykong332 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 10:39 pm My default stats are : as they are right now:
26% magic crit , belt + 36mag pwer + genesis 36 magic power + 23 magic power chest + 42 magic power staff, I forgot to include my chest + staff in the calculations, so u can add to hose numbers 42+23which is = 65
so all the magic power u see can be added +65 to it.
No matter your current stats, the choice you have is, without pots, 35% crit and 200 mp OR 41% crit and 96 mp on all items. Intel should be capped with either pot or zeal buff. I prefer zeal buff to use wounds+crit liniment.
Dying is no option.

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Re: warlord/sov as dps shaman

Post#7 » Thu May 07, 2020 11:11 pm

Sulorie wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:01 pm
thedonkeykong332 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 10:39 pm My default stats are : as they are right now:
26% magic crit , belt + 36mag pwer + genesis 36 magic power + 23 magic power chest + 42 magic power staff, I forgot to include my chest + staff in the calculations, so u can add to hose numbers 42+23which is = 65
so all the magic power u see can be added +65 to it.
No matter your current stats, the choice you have is, without pots, 35% crit and 200 mp OR 41% crit and 96 mp on all items. Intel should be capped with either pot or zeal buff. I prefer zeal buff to use wounds+crit liniment.
Where did you get those numbers? I'm talking about potionless.
Int is capped from get'n smarter buff. I dont count int dps in this calculation

Option A won-> let's say a dot does 100 damage
if dots scale 100% with dps then 100+128 = 228 per dot tick I took 13 ticks for instance.

228X13 = 2964
2964 X 0.33(crit chance) = 978.12
150% of 978.12 = 1467.18
1467.18+2964 = 4,431.18

Option A got bigger result, so it won, according to my calculations.

was wrong option C won.
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Re: warlord/sov as dps shaman

Post#8 » Fri May 08, 2020 6:42 am

thedonkeykong332 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:11 pm
Sulorie wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:01 pm

No matter your current stats, the choice you have is, without pots, 35% crit and 200 mp OR 41% crit and 96 mp on all items. Intel should be capped with either pot or zeal buff. I prefer zeal buff to use wounds+crit liniment.
Where did you get those numbers? I'm talking about potionless.
Int is capped from get'n smarter buff. I dont count int dps in this calculation
Like I wrote, I don't count in potions either, otherwise it would be 40% vs 46% crit. It's not even max crit, because I don't take renown crit 4. For glass cannon build you can therefore add another 5%.

Best value:
5 alt sov + 3 opp
Slightly better but costs a lot more:
5 warlord + 3 alt sov
Max crit, no magic power, costs even more:
5 alt sov, 3 warlord

Variant 3 uses mostly different alt sov pieces as variant 1, so no easy upgrade path.
Dying is no option.

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Re: warlord/sov as dps shaman

Post#9 » Fri May 08, 2020 12:27 pm

Sulorie wrote: Fri May 08, 2020 6:42 am
thedonkeykong332 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:11 pm
Sulorie wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:01 pm

No matter your current stats, the choice you have is, without pots, 35% crit and 200 mp OR 41% crit and 96 mp on all items. Intel should be capped with either pot or zeal buff. I prefer zeal buff to use wounds+crit liniment.
Where did you get those numbers? I'm talking about potionless.
Int is capped from get'n smarter buff. I dont count int dps in this calculation
Like I wrote, I don't count in potions either, otherwise it would be 40% vs 46% crit. It's not even max crit, because I don't take renown crit 4. For glass cannon build you can therefore add another 5%.

Best value:
5 alt sov + 3 opp
Slightly better but costs a lot more:
5 warlord + 3 alt sov
Max crit, no magic power, costs even more:
5 alt sov, 3 warlord

Variant 3 uses mostly different alt sov pieces as variant 1, so no easy upgrade path.
I just checked with the ranked SC gear
and it seems like the best value is
5warlord/3 ranked sc for the best DPS.

Sulorie
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Re: warlord/sov as dps shaman

Post#10 » Fri May 08, 2020 1:59 pm

thedonkeykong332 wrote: Fri May 08, 2020 12:27 pm

I just checked with the ranked SC gear
and it seems like the best value is
5warlord/3 ranked sc for the best DPS.
With best value I meant highest results for least effort, aka fast to farm.
Without changes to ranked pop rate, those sets will be no option.
I see no point to take 3 ranked in combination to 5 warlord. The only reason would be to stack more magic power but the price is a lot crit chance. Otherwise 5 warlord / 3 alt sov is better.
Dying is no option.

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