Status of the Choppa ?.

[Panzerkasper]

imo is better if the rampage change come along the aoe change for both classes.

The aoe change is irrelevant for that matter, because the overperforming of rampage is not a sole aoe problem.

[CountTalabecland]

Spoiler:

you cant kill a slayer whit rampage+self healin channel.

Buffhead - Trackers - Hostile - Add - 'Rampage'

As soon as you see it appear, move away from the Slayer/shatter it if tank.

Use any interrupts you have when he does his self-healing.

People talk about getting killed by solo slayer, yet standing in his face when he has Rampage activated is just asking for a fun time. Also, Slayer will kill certain classes more than they can kill him in 1v1....such is life.

lmao, do you realize how dumb dis sounds? rampage? no worries just run away for 10 to 20 seconds, yeah easy thing to do just avoid him...seriously hahaha cmon stop sleepin in ur desk get to balancin! rampage needs a tweak or change to an upper slot in mastery points, something to do with it, it's just one of the most overpowered skills in game.

“One of?” So you are comparing it to what other exact ability? Or is this hyperbole?

So the only two archetypes that need to be concerned with rampage are mdps and tank. Both of which have knockdowns, punts, and here and there a stun amongst other cc to limit the time in which a slayer can be hitting you via rampage. What tweak would you make other than making it higher in mastery points?

[Tesq]

imo is better if the rampage change come along the aoe change for both classes.

The aoe change is irrelevant for that matter, because the overperforming of rampage is not a sole aoe problem.

when an "aoe" build is used for any format the class enter into, and is run since is so good 2x on 2 dps slot.....it's all a big problem, tough part of the aoe build problem is common with choppa, so fix slayer = fix choppa for the most part...is just the current sich which is meh....from like 9 years...

the same way a lot of stuff around slayer enter in the battlefield as balance "problem" or unresolved issue such

-role of cd increase/decrease and actual balance and combo access (classes locked out from main feature aoe such engi/sorc & chosen/IB)
-GoM and rampage in wb format (physical dps problem in rvr between the realms)
-lack of choppa/slayer core aoe/rage build
-aoe cd decrease being better than st CD decrease instead have half value.....
etc the list is long.....on top of st mastery of choppa/slayers....

[Alubert]

Choppa is strong dd.
No need 80 rr to do dmg.
70 rr is good for left+right tree build.
All mele Dps need heal and guard.
I prefere dual build with GTDCH skill. Ofc it’s single target build.
Problem is with crit chance. On live server in t3 39 lev invader gear i had 47% mele crit chance. Now only 25%.
I would like to see a little rework. Maybe choppa kd without drop rage component?

[peterthepan3]

you cant kill a slayer whit rampage+self healin channel.

Buffhead - Trackers - Hostile - Add - 'Rampage'

As soon as you see it appear, move away from the Slayer/shatter it if tank.

Use any interrupts you have when he does his self-healing.

People talk about getting killed by solo slayer, yet standing in his face when he has Rampage activated is just asking for a fun time. Also, Slayer will kill certain classes more than they can kill him in 1v1....such is life.

lmao, do you realize how dumb dis sounds? rampage? no worries just run away for 10 to 20 seconds, yeah easy thing to do just avoid him...seriously hahaha cmon stop sleepin in ur desk get to balancin! rampage needs a tweak or change to an upper slot in mastery points, something to do with it, it's just one of the most overpowered skills in game.

Oh trust me I know that you are rather partial to facetanking Slayers who have just popped Rampage and Confusing Movements, but my advice was aimed more towards those who, perhaps, don't want to die ad nauseam; those who are open to the idea of making amendments to their play.

And to reiterate for the third time: Rampage is something being looked at (actively).

[Tesq]

Buffhead - Trackers - Hostile - Add - 'Rampage'

As soon as you see it appear, move away from the Slayer/shatter it if tank.

Use any interrupts you have when he does his self-healing.

People talk about getting killed by solo slayer, yet standing in his face when he has Rampage activated is just asking for a fun time. Also, Slayer will kill certain classes more than they can kill him in 1v1....such is life.

lmao, do you realize how dumb dis sounds? rampage? no worries just run away for 10 to 20 seconds, yeah easy thing to do just avoid him...seriously hahaha cmon stop sleepin in ur desk get to balancin! rampage needs a tweak or change to an upper slot in mastery points, something to do with it, it's just one of the most overpowered skills in game.

Oh trust me I know that you are rather partial to facetanking Slayers who have just popped Rampage and Confusing Movements, but my advice was aimed more towards those who, perhaps, don't want to die ad nauseam; those who are open to the idea of making amendments to their play.

And to reiterate for the third time: Rampage is something being looked at (actively).

with all due respect allowed, tell me where the balance lie between shatter limbs and tired alredy......is not rampage only and i could care less if sguig have access to the same thing. They are both wrong in value for the same reason as is rampage. Fundamental value flaw between ST and aoe.....It's clear what skills are the correct ones and what arent.

drop da basha/numbing strike and tired alredy are correct skill, shatter limbs (and so Choppa fasta) and rampage arent.....aswell as other skill on mara/wl prove similar value such primal fury/mutated aggression
(25% dmg increase with 1 min CD vs 100% block/parry ignore with 22 or 30 sec CD/ watch also GoM 100% armor pen ignored with no cd at all)....

these skill (GoM aswell) could be just value/duration fixed (or rather duration and CD made consistent between similar effects) they dont need a balance process....then we could agree that the rest of choppa/slay is not gold and held a correct classes balance for both and add wh/we/wl aoe department aswell..

[oaliaen]

20 seconds is way to high for a cheap core ability ... makw it 5 seconds or 3.

[CountTalabecland]

20 seconds is way to high for a cheap core ability ... makw it 5 seconds or 3.

So that 1 knockdown,disarm, pull, or punt makes it useless? Not to mention the fact that the number of gcd’s in which to deal dmg is greatly reduced. At that point why bother with the AP and rage drop to use the ability to get off two attacks? Even with cooldown as it is, if we are talking 1v1, Slayer gets to use rampage once per fight, maybe twice in a evenly matched 6v6. I can see it being reduced to a 10 sec ability regardless of yellow/red to satisfy the tears, but that should be the minimum. My bet is that people would still cry foul at 10 seconds.

[blakokami]

So typical that a Choppa thread devolves into a nerf Slayer thread. Why don't we just buff bleem em out and call it a day. You can't even run power through on dw slayer without getting killed too easily. What that means is that rampage used in red is almost useless and if you use rampage in yellow still 16 seconds of its 20 second duration are going to be in green and yellow (aka ur dmg is gonna be lower). It's still a great skill but yea, its not a core ability either as some one suggested.

[oaliaen]

make rampage a M2..its more plausible.