i like PvP ! - i dont understand whats happening

[Ashoris]

Hello,

i recently stumbeled about different opinions and comments outside of this forum and decided it is finally the time to give feedback to the RoR Team. The following description is just my personal point of view and should not be taken as an offense.

I am fully aware that this is your Server and your Playground and it is awesome that i have the chance to participate. The Server should heading the direction you want because like i said it is yours ! I do not take the existance of this Server and the offer to play here as granted but more as a privilege.

I like PvP - and i still like the idea of an PvP centric MMO, i also like the arcade feeling of Warhammer and especially the low Bar you need to cross before you can enter PvP.

One of the long time strength's of the Server was the lack of "grind" and the ability to start PvP with little effort.
This changed slowly (not for me personaly, because i play here long enough, but for beginners).
In the past i could tell my friends about this cool server and in no time the toon was created "lvled" and competitive. this changed over the time.

The recent changes baffeled me because i thought the intention was to let the "casual Player" be competitive but i can't bring it in line with the recent equipment changes.
- The easy to get Equipment was moved down the Equipment spiral
- The new City Dungeons get a lock timer ??? why do we need time sink here ? why not let new ppl get good equipment faster so they can PvP ?
- an additional Item set that is a Tier higher instead of just creating sets that are the same tier but with another focus (for example a 2h def set for tanks/ or a Initiative Set ... )

The existing Equipment is already making a huge difference and the grind for new Players (especially MeleeDD in need of Weapons) before they are even close to "BiS" is way too hard.

TLDR
We want ppl competitive in PvP - and new Players
-why is there an equipment grind
-why additional Equipment Tiers instead of alternate Bonus combinations in the same tier
-why adding timesinks for PvP Equipment

[DirkDaring]

Its because they think by introducing time sinks and gear grinds, by nerfing old sets and adding new ones etc,
adding new sets was good, but no need to nerf preexisting ones.

same as adding a set that is worse than gunbad set, but requiring gunbad before you can do the dungeons for the set thats not as good as gunbad. that they'll keep players playing , while that may be true for some , but its not true for everyone .

Were not paying a sub, so there no reason to add more time sinks into the game, in order to keep the player base playing.

[Bowldancer]

You call it grind - i call it progression and it is an essential part of MMOs to me.

The Devs made it easy to get competitive gear, they are very conservative regarding power creep, added the bonus system to rolls to make sure everyone gets there eventually and capped the renown rank at just 80.

Some of us had zero progression for what - one and a half years ?
It was long overdue.

[Sulorie]

It's not like you need the highest tier gear to compete.

[Hargrim]

It's not like you need the highest tier gear to compete.

But without it you can always complain about how unobtainable it is. When you have it it is {realm of the week}-bias. After that it's 'Because zerg!'.

[Ashoris]

It's not like you need the highest tier gear to compete.

no, but with each additional tier of equipment the "acceptable" Equipment is higher too and like i mentioned is already highly variable depending on class (snb tank with Ruin is pretty decent, melee dps with ruin/lowlvl weapons is crap)

[Ashoris]

It's not like you need the highest tier gear to compete.

But without it you can always complain about how unobtainable it is. When you have it it is {realm of the week}-bias. After that it's 'Because zerg!'.

is this the type of conversation we would like to have ? Iam sorry i thought i made clear that i respect your work and didn't meant this as an offense

[Hargrim]

is this the type of conversation we would like to have ? Iam sorry i thought i made clear that i respect your work and didn't meant this as an offense

Well, you raised some points, but the answers are already on the forums. There is not much to add to what was said before. You are not the first.

[Ashoris]

You call it grind - i call it progression and it is an essential part of MMOs to me.

The Devs made it easy to get competitive gear, they are very conservative regarding power creep, added the bonus system to rolls to make sure everyone gets there eventually and capped the renown rank at just 80.

Some of us had zero progression for what - one and a half years ?
It was long overdue.

Hi,

I understand the argument of progression to some case i just think there would be other possible ways to have "progression" than higher Gear sets. I also think that the Focus is on PvP intentionally and that therefore Gearprogress is not the primary Goal.

( i have to mention that while i understand the principles of progress by Gear, the only progress i personally need in a game is Teamplay and my own ability to play properly to the situation).

You can argue to some extent that the progress by gear works directly vs my main Goals in a Game

[Ashoris]

is this the type of conversation we would like to have ? Iam sorry i thought i made clear that i respect your work and didn't meant this as an offense

Well, you raised some points, but the answers are already on the forums. There is not much to add to what was said before. You are not the first.

Hi,
Sorry for that i havent found all answers (for example why times sink) and other are like i mentioned not sufficient for me, i understand the need of new content and progress, iu just dont understand why make it soo hard for beginners.