[Request] Give us T1 | T2/3 | T4 Pretty Please

[sullemunk]

I'd like to see t2 (level 17-32) as a separate tier while T3 and T4 stays merged since they have same keep structure

[anarchypark]

Iet me re-trace how we landed at current state.

1. there were 2 years of hard evidence that t2, t3 were ghost town.
everybody PL to t4. or solo grind.
except EU weekend.

2. they introduced Overlord gear.
you have to debolster to low tiers for Seal of Examplar.
40lvls came to ghost town and made the fires.

there were same comments from low lvls that they can't compete with 40s.
it might be true for no effort under-geared players but debolster was lower than top mid-tier toons.
even w/o 40s there were still lvl differences.

3. Dooms Day experiment. current state.
war is everywhere. no more empty tiers.
some might have trouble against BiS enemies. it gets better with little efforts, just same lvl gears and team play.

what's the reason you think seperated tier will be different than past 2 years ?
least resist, ppl turned to PvE after few wipes at old days, same now.
at least you have option for orvr currently.

it's not perfect solution but better than old.
if you have better idea, share it plz.

[martholomew]

Iet me re-trace how we landed at current state.

1. there were 2 years of hard evidence that t2, t3 were ghost town.
everybody PL to t4. or solo grind.
except EU weekend.

2. they introduced Overlord gear.
you have to debolster to low tiers for Seal of Examplar.
40lvls came to ghost town and made the fires.

there were same comments from low lvls that they can't compete with 40s.
it might be true for no effort under-geared players but debolster was lower than top mid-tier toons.
even w/o 40s there were still lvl differences.

3. Dooms Day experiment. current state.
war is everywhere. no more empty tiers.
some might have trouble against BiS enemies. it gets better with little efforts, just same lvl gears and team play.

what's the reason you think seperated tier will be different than past 2 years ?
least resist, ppl turned to PvE after few wipes at old days, same now.
at least you have option for orvr currently.

it's not perfect solution but better than old.
if you have better idea, share it plz.

The difference that is being ignored is that the population of the server has exploded with new players coming every day, many of whom have no idea what to expect at all in T1 much less beginning T2 and T3 with sieges and keeps.

I see the points both sides are making, but the problem may be solved with better incentives to bother doing T2 and T3.

[Sgttimmen]

Pop imbalance, some Guilds measuring e-peens "Please dont follow us" (i wont name them and i encourage players to Lollow them as much as they care), and lowlvls being kicked out of WB:s for being lowlvl (bolster is pretty much spot on, no need to kick) is why some players just dont care much for T2-4. The xp and rr bonus week made a difference, many made alts, new players capped and deffed their first keep. My suggestion is: IF we get a mid-tier, make it downbolster for 31-40:s, a somewhat punishing one. That way we can choose the fights or BO-play and still join friends.

[Sulorie]

and lowlvls being kicked out of WB:s for being lowlvl (bolster is pretty much spot on, no need to kick) is why some players just dont care much for T2-4.

I regularly see the opposite. Plenty lowlvls in warbands and barely anyone in sc queue.
In theory the bolster is appropriate to be useful, despite lacking certain key abilities. In reality too many ppl don't optimize their gear or use talismans at lowlvl, which greatly reduces bolster effect.

[Thelen]

and lowlvls being kicked out of WB:s for being lowlvl (bolster is pretty much spot on, no need to kick) is why some players just dont care much for T2-4.

I regularly see the opposite. Plenty lowlvls in warbands and barely anyone in sc queue.
In theory the bolster is appropriate to be useful, despite lacking certain key abilities. In reality too many ppl don't optimize their gear or use talismans at lowlvl, which greatly reduces bolster effect.

Gearing out in talismans while leveling up and constantly upgrading gear is incredibly costly and unrealistic for a new player to the game.

[Sulorie]

and lowlvls being kicked out of WB:s for being lowlvl (bolster is pretty much spot on, no need to kick) is why some players just dont care much for T2-4.

I regularly see the opposite. Plenty lowlvls in warbands and barely anyone in sc queue.
In theory the bolster is appropriate to be useful, despite lacking certain key abilities. In reality too many ppl don't optimize their gear or use talismans at lowlvl, which greatly reduces bolster effect.

Gearing out in talismans while leveling up and constantly upgrading gear is incredibly costly and unrealistic for a new player to the game.

Really, it isn't. Green talismans are super cheap and outside of warbands you get enough drops to sell to update your gear.

[Thelen]

I regularly see the opposite. Plenty lowlvls in warbands and barely anyone in sc queue.
In theory the bolster is appropriate to be useful, despite lacking certain key abilities. In reality too many ppl don't optimize their gear or use talismans at lowlvl, which greatly reduces bolster effect.

Gearing out in talismans while leveling up and constantly upgrading gear is incredibly costly and unrealistic for a new player to the game.

Really, it isn't. Green talismans are super cheap and outside of warbands you get enough drops to sell to update your gear.

I was on the AH for my slayer last night. Green talismans are 50 silver - 1 gold each. Expecting new players to play 3-5 gold every few levels is not realistic. That is just for talismans, doesn't include gear or mounts.

[Sulorie]

I was on the AH for my slayer last night. Green talismans are 50 silver - 1 gold each. Expecting new players to play 3-5 gold every few levels is not realistic. That is just for talismans, doesn't include gear or mounts.

About what talisman level you are talking here?

EDIT: Checked on order, only willpower and intel are what I consider cheap. Order players seem to be greedy as hell.

Come on destro side, we sell +24 for 80g, +23 for 20g, +22 for 10 gold.

The talismans I mean cost like 10 silver each on destro side.

[Darks63]

Less supply higher prices likely I have made pretty good bank underbiding on order.