[SW] 15pt Path of Scout Ability

[Arbich]

Not a SW expert. How would that work with Lileath Arrow + Moral 2?

Maybe limit it to attacks of the scout tree?

[daniilpb]

Not a SW expert. How would that work with Lileath Arrow + Moral 2?

Maybe limit it to attacks of the scout tree?

Well, even if it would work with LA, it will be even better cause SW’s WB potential was nerfed very hard. So, if the one really wants to spend 16 points into Scout for only one ability to use it in other stances which won’t have enough points in their trees - no problem for me, go for it, 300 extra damage is no biggie considering how high in the tree this ability will be. Going for it simply gimps any other tree.

[daniilpb]

Kinda seems like a slightly less crap version of the sorc 13 pointer. I dont see dropping all the useful tools in skirmisher just to do an extra 3000(pre mit and not counting dodges) every 30 sec.

Well, cooldown may be reduced a bit and duration increased in case you won’t be able to shoot all 10 arrows. Would make it a bit more flexible to use

[tionblack]

I admire your commitment to the Scout SW, and i hate to say it, but i don't like this. SW already has a 30sec. dmg cd, and the scout tree should be adjusted by tweaking the scout stance, not some 15 pt. ability. I really liked your last proposal regarding the Scout Stance and AA dmg, and was hoping that one would get moved to discussion...where did it go?

Pretty much this, adding an ability wont fix the issue of scout stance.Will just make entire stance based on 1 skill.

[Acidic]

The skill described here is way too effective , extra 3000 damage every 30 secs would make this a must have for the stance thus the spec ends up forced to take this.
Additionally there was no mention if this was only acting on single target or would also add to the aoe.

[daniilpb]

The skill described here is way too effective , extra 3000 damage every 30 secs would make this a must have for the stance thus the spec ends up forced to take this.
Additionally there was no mention if this was only acting on single target or would also add to the aoe.

You almost debunked youself.
What’s the sense in the ability that placed at 15 pt if it won’t be effective? If you spend 16! points in the tree, you must be rewarded for that otherwise there is no sense at all in any 15pt ability.
3000 every 30 seconds: what about 10 attacks? There must be 10 attacks, which also must be successful, to reach that amount of damage. It would work like a 10 seconds dot which you also need to maintain in some kind.
And I commented on AOE part already.

[daniilpb]

I admire your commitment to the Scout SW, and i hate to say it, but i don't like this. SW already has a 30sec. dmg cd, and the scout tree should be adjusted by tweaking the scout stance, not some 15 pt. ability. I really liked your last proposal regarding the Scout Stance and AA dmg, and was hoping that one would get moved to discussion...where did it go?

Pretty much this, adding an ability wont fix the issue of scout stance.Will just make entire stance based on 1 skill.

Again, then what’s the sense in implementing 15! pt ability (16 since you need a point to learn it) which won’t be effective and worthful spending that amount of points? Also do you assume that it will deal 3k damage w/o other abilities instantly? If you think about it a bit, you will find out that it requires 10 successful attacks to get any benefit from this skill.

[Acidic]

The skill described here is way too effective , extra 3000 damage every 30 secs would make this a must have for the stance thus the spec ends up forced to take this.
Additionally there was no mention if this was only acting on single target or would also add to the aoe.

You almost debunked youself.
What’s the sense in the ability that placed at 15 pt if it won’t be effective? If you spend 16! points in the tree, you must be rewarded for that otherwise there is no sense at all in any 15pt ability.
3000 every 30 seconds: what about 10 attacks? There must be 10 attacks, which also must be successful, to reach that amount of damage. It would work like a 10 seconds dot which you also need to maintain in some kind.
And I commented on AOE part already.

No 15 point skill I saw gives 3k damage buff for one gcd.
Just look at the soc 15point skills as soc’s Are mentioned in the op ,
15 point 100 damage max 5 times, 500 damage extra total not 3000

[Arbich]

You will lose you extra range from skirmisher tree (and a lot of your kiting potential), when you take this skill. You maybe also lose the best heal debuff in the game. If the AoE part isn´t an issue, then I don´t think this skill will be overpowered given the things you lose when taking it.

[Acidic]

You will lose you extra range from skirmisher tree (and a lot of your kiting potential), when you take this skill. You maybe also lose the best heal debuff in the game. If the AoE part isn´t an issue, then I don´t think this skill will be overpowered given the things you lose when taking it.

The comparison to the other trees skills suggest that they are too powerful if they need something this powerful to compete. I would suggest that the way to bring scout into line is to reduce the power of the games best heal debuff and extra range rather than making all three trees Over performing.

In no way, shape, or form is Skirmish overperforming. Heal debuff was rightfully changed to 9pt and herder has the same - Dan