Question regarding End Game.

[HoboTheBrobo]

Hey guys, new to the server here just have a few questions.

I've been looking to get back into this game as I loved it when it was first released, despite the fact that I had no idea what I was doing and that I played a Choppa at 40 haha.

I've been looking into Tanking and Healing a little bit, more specifically BO/BG and Shaman/DoK. I was wondering if I could get some insight into a few things.

For the tanking side of it, as I understand, both BO and BG are good Tanks and can go the 2her route but it seems the consensus on that is that outside of a very specific comp in a 6 man roamer squad you would be better off playing an actual melee dps. How true is that? And further to that how does the Sword and Board guard buddy play style feel? Is it fun to play or do you feel like you aren't putting out much pressure at all? I suppose a run down into the feel of tanking in end game pvp and how it works would be appreciated.

As for the healing side of it despite some threads it seems shaman is an ok healer and DoK seems to have been nerfed so some feel it is less useful, but they both seem to be outclassed by the Zealot? Mainly due to the Shamans WAAAGH system being a bit iffy for a healer. I suppose I just wanted some clarification on how end game healing would be, does it feel like you make a difference as a healer or is it more frustrating? Also how viable DPS Healer DoK is, I assume that it's ok for solo and some 6 man squads but not for anything passed that.

Sorry if any of these assumptions are wrong, I've only had a little look around the forums and I'm sure some of what I have read is just hyperbole. Feel free to point me to any threads that might already answer my questions

[Foomy44]

Just because you go 2h on a tank class doesn't mean you have to play it as a DPS, 2h build can be extremely tanky and bring plenty of utility to a group. I stack toughness and HP regen on my chosen and can survive at the front of a zerg just fine while throwing out great debuffs and decent spirit damage on everything around me and can still hold my own 1v1 vs most classes. You can also play them as DPS yes but you need real good gear to be worth considering over an average geared dps class and It's probably a lil less effective than the ideal setup but honestly most people aren't running around in perfect 6man setups so don't worry about that too much IMO. Tanking is very fun if you are ok with not being able to burst people down like a dps. You may not be the one getting all the kills but good CC and guards will win you just as many fights as big crits.

All healers are plenty viable, shaman might be in a worse spot than normal cuz of the weird place it's mechanic is in atm but healers make or break every fight and shaman is no exception. Everyone feels like healers make a difference endgame I assure you. Pick the ones who's playstyle you enjoy more IMO, balance patches come n go but the feel of a class rarely changes drastically.

[HoboTheBrobo]

I've had a lot of fun playing tanks in other games and helping to set up kills, but never in an MMO which is why I was a little hesitant about picking it off the bat. I've played healers before but I wasn't sure if picking shaman would just be pointless due to the mechanic but it's good to know that I would still be useful anyway.

I'll have a go with the Healers in some low lvl RvR to see which one I prefer. Thanks for your reply

[Eathisword]

A good tank, 2h or SnB, will have a much larger impact in any given fight than a good dps. I would argue that winning fights without good tanks is a lot harder than without Good dps. Albeit all roles are important.

As fir healers, they are all good. Different p’aystyle but all good. And everyone needs em.

[Nefarian78]

I strongly advise against playing a 2h Bo right now. RR70 is a requirement for the best build. Besides that, 2h BOs aren't that useful most of the time.

Meanwhile, a 2h BG has tons of utility and can deal great damage too and at the same time still be tanky enough to survive without too many problems. I suggest you go with a 2h BG if you want to play a 2h tank.

[HoboTheBrobo]

I strongly advise against playing a 2h Bo right now. RR70 is a requirement for the best build. Besides that, 2h BOs aren't that useful most of the time.

Meanwhile, a 2h BG has tons of utility and can deal great damage too and at the same time still be tanky enough to survive without too many problems. I suggest you go with a 2h BG if you want to play a 2h tank.

So 2h BG is a nice utility tank then? I'll have a look into it. It wasn't necessarily that I would like to only play 2h, but more that I would like the option if it was there and I needed a break from SnB.

A good tank, 2h or SnB, will have a much larger impact in any given fight than a good dps. I would argue that winning fights without good tanks is a lot harder than without Good dps. Albeit all roles are important.

As fir healers, they are all good. Different p’aystyle but all good. And everyone needs em.

Yeah, from what I've read they seem to be the ones that make the plays happen while swapping the guard around, am I right in thinking the guard has been nerfed now? I recall reading that the range is much shorter than it used to be.
In regards to tanks and healers on Destro right now, would you say that healers are less populated in T3/4? I recall seeing a thread a while ago but I can't find it atm, the consensus seemed to be that Order lacked Tanks and Destro lacked Healers but i'm unsure of how accurate that is.

[Eathisword]

Yeah, from what I've read they seem to be the ones that make the plays happen while swapping the guard around, am I right in thinking the guard has been nerfed now? I recall reading that the range is much shorter than it used to be.
In regards to tanks and healers on Destro right now, would you say that healers are less populated in T3/4? I recall seeing a thread a while ago but I can't find it atm, the consensus seemed to be that Order lacked Tanks and Destro lacked Healers but i'm unsure of how accurate that is.

Guard has not been nerfed. When the server launched it was badly coded and was 40-50 feet instead of the tooltip value of 30. It is now fixed at 30 for years, as it was on live. It still remains the most valuable ability in the game anyway.

As for balance between faction, imo, it is mostly noise. I play 99.9% order though. But from my PoV, both side a chuck full of rubbish dps players that are angry they do not have enough tanks and healers to carry them... I think about it with an alternative narrative: if you play only tank and healer, you'll never find there is not enough dps to play with.

[Dwanex]

I think about it with an alternative narrative: if you play only tank and healer, you'll never find there is not enough dps to play with.

This!

I feel like there a no dd's on order side since I'm playing a kotbs mainly. It was the exact same way around when I played some dps. All of a sudden I felt the lack of tanks and/or healers


At all there still should be way more dps than tanks/healer for oder (idk about destro but I think they got more than enough tanks)