Class that is stuggling

[adamthelc]

Looking at classes as a whole and not specs within a class, I would probably say WH/We.

Not that you cant do good on those classes, but the majority of them seem less impactful than other classes from what I have seen. If you are good you can probably be good on anything.

But compared to what they were on live and based on the majority of current players that would be my answer.

To reiterate they arent bad. Witch Elves still destroy me from time to time.

[michela89]

Also Thing is, Kajtarn is one of the 2 aSWs that makes it work.

Plenty of decent SW out there would make it work too If they had his RR / bis / army of guardbots

There's a few. I can only speak about the ones on Order since, unlike a LOT of people, I refuse to crossrealm, but on Order the ones who seem to struggle the most are melee Shadow Warriors (SW in general sucks compared to BW but melee SW REALLY sucks. Also they can't level or farm for ****) and DPS warrior priest (and by DPS I mean DPS not healer).

SW can aoe farm, like B or even C tier but they can. Also SW is one of the few classes that can solo an Hero, I would say they should be pretty decent at farming champs.
Now if only champs exp wasn't ****...

Looking at classes as a whole and not specs within a class, I would probably say WH/We.

Not that you cant do good on those classes, but the majority of them seem less impactful than other classes from what I have seen. If you are good you can probably be good on anything.

But compared to what they were on live and based on the majority of current players that would be my answer.

To reiterate they arent bad. Witch Elves still destroy me from time to time.

I have seen many WE doing more than good in scenarios, big damage and killing blows to prove they are not just damage padding.

I must say I didn't see many WH do the same, maybe I just tend to not notice them tho, because as far as I know they should be the same if not better.

[TenTonHammer]

Choppa

Only thing anyone can agree on is that choppa needs help as a class.

There are some great choppa players but that is in spite of the class rather than because of.

Order side, all the classes are useful, dps WP maybe?

choppa is fine, just becuz grobbok and kupaczabra go 0-20 doesnt mean the class is in a bad spot, look at choppas like paredrine, ripgor or waryk, they do perfectly fine. the only issue with choppas is the lack of thinking with most players.

A class that has only so few viable options that 95% of all choppas spec the same exact way and is only good for ST damage

Is not "fine"

Slayer can spec 3 diffrent ways for single target damage alone

The wrecka tree is garbage

Get to the choppa is garbage

Chop fasta is trash even more so with the new DYG

Same goes for choppas 2h option espically when compared to slayers 2h options

Tired already is nothing special and you don't want to drop rage for it over try n hurt me or KD

No more helpin is garbage, BG soul killer is much better

Secondly choppas need soo much to be effective; pocket heal, guard and armor debuff

And for what? Does the investment of resources need for choppas to "work" give equal performance? Not really cause thier performance in party play is nothing speical on par with other mdps

Even in ORvR choppa is non desire able, thier AoE is damage and utility is inferior to that of maras nor are they good for bombing as they don't have an viable AoE morale option

So no

Choppa is not "fine"

[Bozzax]

Some aspects of chp wrk and some dont. No there is not 1 spec but ye agree the class would be more rounded if GTDC was doing a bit more dmg and if chp had either strikethrough or a bit of penetration instead of AP.

[Jinxypie]

Ranged dps dok! Theres a guide burried somewhere around too

[TenTonHammer]

Some aspects of chp wrk and some dont. No there is not 1 spec but ye agree the class would be more rounded if GTDC was doing a bit more dmg and if chp had either strikethrough or a bit of penetration instead of AP.

Savage for life tap and heal debuff, dumping the rest of your mastery into hitta, if your feeling real crafty you can grab AoE snare

soo unique much variety =

Their is no real other viable spec than this and the class is only good for ST damage


Pretty much every other mdps or class for that matter have atleast 2~3 different specs and atleast 2 different viable playstyles

[Telen]

Des classes look way cooler than Order particularly at low levels. Major inbalance.

[tionblack]

Apple is better than avocado.

Which class is better,under what conditions,doing what,against who?we can talk till morning.

Underpowered,overpowered these are just situational myths.Considering the everchanging classes but i still ignore my logic and say black guards are one tick above the other tanks in my opiniion(kobs,chosen meta is still solid ofc).Making selfish black guard buffs mutual with oathfriend is just crazy good,shield of rage,anti crit chance doubling up,stackable armor buff,5 seconds kd,best punt without tactic and on hit rage gain.Black guards were supposed to be selfish due to the strong self buffa and utilities,turning him into some kind of ironbreaker with his "on being hit rage gain and on hit" is just lol good.

Guess gotto roll one myself

[Darosh]

Also Thing is, Kajtarn is one of the 2 aSWs that makes it work.

Plenty of decent SW out there would make it work too If they had his RR / bis / army of guardbots

Did it cross your mind that Kajtarn and the other handful of other prominent DPS (of any class) have an army of guardbots because they happen to play better (reliably) than 95% of the playerbase, and are actually fun to play with?
From the point of making friends with tanks, gear and RR are not just a cakewalk (as per usual), but entirely to be considered a given.

These 'plenty of decent' <insert class> that 'could make it work', but... oxymoron.

Abbd.:
Rephrased:

Spoiler:

1. Be decent.
2. Get guardbot army.
3. Get Gear and RR.
4. ???
5. Profit.

Not:

Spoiler:

1. Magically get guardbot army.
2. Get gear and RR.
3. Magically become decent.
4. ???
5. Profit.

E: Fixed emphasis.

[larsulu]

Hey guys. I was just curious which class is in the worst shape currently. I'm just picking the game up since the original game closed and I am notorious for picking the worst class when I start an MMO (anyone remember LoLRet from Wow? Yeah, that's the way I usually pick). Mara was may main in the original and I seem to recall it under preforming. I still loved it except for getting trounced in RvR. Anyway, what do you guys think? Thanks

dont pick mara. even if you'r masochist.

TB ( thonderous blows) has been nerfed ( 5 sec CD to 10 secs CD ) ( 1500 debuff wounds to 900 wounds).
also TB doesnt works with PB tactic ( piercing byte gives you bypass 50% armor if you use ability that requires mutations )
TB alsmo has been moved to 6 points sava to 13 points sava. at 6 points you can train Draining Swipe ( no worths at all)
TE ( terrible embrace ) is on int ( mara is pure str ) and is a cast ( interruptable ).
Monstro spec gives you a good sustenance but your dmg is too low. ( aoe stun from 3 secs to 2 secs )
savagery tree a bit nerfed.
brutality tree is good only for 3 things ( guillottine, mutated aggressor, growing instability)

if you like dps mele on destro i'd suggest you a choppa/dok melee or WE.