How come order is so bad ?

[dansari]

Spamming /lol and planting standards on corpses of course!

This post triggered me

[Darosh]

Skulls for the skullthrone!
Salt for the popcorn!

Ttuth be told, order performance is lackluster ~ get yourself a group/guild asap.

The main difference between order and destro:
Destro makes an effort to group up, order doesn't.

[lefze]

What baffles me the most is how order is constantly losing in rvr despite the fact that destro only has one RvR guild (TUP), not to mention that most order mirrors are superior to destro's.

It's like... dude, how are you STILL losing?

Yes........... right order chars are so "op" that from start (atleast t4) destro mostly dominate rvr and sc* - there is couple of people in this forum that would be sick if they not mention this kind of propagand. In fact any one from my guild who xrealm claims that on destro life is much brighter, easy and profitable. In fact the rule "at live" was simple - dessies chars are better in performing certain roles (usually) per se - order has better group support combination. Ror strongly weaken this rule

Order has 3 biggest issues -
- population composed in large numbers of casual players which choose rdps to play (as they think they are easier to play solo what is totaly wrong in both rvr and sc) and dont care about: moving they chars to high lev and group combination which is back bone of order strenght or even creating some premade .
- morale disadvantage (which creates real problem in rvr where all strategy is base on raze spam vs do we have am to pomp solar flare)
- destro chars looks much better which for many is important thing

* order domination in rvr starts when desies fully gear they main chars and start being bore so they xrealm OR guilds like TUP/Haojun boys sometimes moves to order to help keeping enemy morale before it totally break. They simply need some meat shields to farm when they run normal full wb on destruction side

The imbalance comes from warband setups, and lack of individual skill. Order has the capabilities to drop M2 bombs, and in many cases even M4 bombs from almost every single player in a warband at incredible intervals. Especially with the meta BW heavy comps you literally can't loose in a warband vs warband fight if the warband is min-maxed.

And outside of Morales order can stack % heal increases, crit increases, cast time decreasers to boost everyone to almost unkillable levels. And it should also be mentioned that order also has access to pretty much all the other good stuff destro has, like aoe 50% healdebuff, aoe cooldown increaser, aoe Inc crit increaser, aoe avoidance debuffs and on and on. It's just up to each and every guild to actually use it, which they for some reason don't!

No one is able to pull it off at this time, and that has nothing to do with gamebalance, it's simply because of a lack of dedication and no will to improve.

[Valeri]

most order mirrors are superior to destro's.

This is just not true any more. (Apart from maby BW)

- destro chars looks much better which for many is important thing

I think you hit on a big factor here. And especially destro tanks vs order tanks. Destro has 3 good tanks that all looks cool and menacing. Order tanks are all nish-looking, a "pebble-with-an-axe" a "tall-twig-with-dress" and a "golden-human". On a subconcious level I think this has the effect of destro playing more aggressivly and pushing harder, resulting in order with a lot of squishies quickly being overrun. The same effect that can be observed on a small scale with irl sports teams, were teams with red colors perform marginally better cus red is associated with danger/aggression

Spoiler:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science ... -more.html

And at the same time the main melee dps for destro, Marauder, is more pug friendly then WL who has a pet.
And even order healers are nish-looking. Some ppl dont like playing chars that wears dresses or are dwarfs...
This together gives destro a healthy class distribution while order end up with lack of healer and tanks. Ofc look isn't effecting most players choise of chars, but it effect enough to tip the balance.
This is my take on the subject, I dont think order players are generally worse then destro, I think its more a subconcious "problem" together with pug friendly melee on destro and pug friendly ranged on order. <3

[rmpl]

Morale pump would be a good excuse had it not been for the fact that pugs don't sync their morales and destro has only 1 (one) organised rvr guild.

[lefze]

Morale pump would be a good excuse had it not been for the fact that pugs don't sync their morales and destro has only 1 (one) organised rvr guild.

Moralepumps are no excuse regardless, both sides have it, and order arguably has the better one.

[rmpl]

This is just not true any more. (Apart from maby BW)

This might be might personal opinion but I definitely prefer order mirrors and their toolkits. Out of the characters I've played:
slayer>choppa
bw>sorc
kotbs>chosen
sm>bo

Destro characters look so much cooler though and I don't mind being an underdog because it makes winning so much better.

[orillah]

Just dont play order.

And dont listen destro forum defenders who claim in every thread that destro suck xD.

[lefze]

Just dont play order.

And dont listen destro forum defenders who claim in every thread that destro suck xD.

Listen to the order players saying destro sucks though.

[WorstNovak]

I'm really dead serious, how come order is really this bad ?
I see in scenario's ppl go head on with 3 tanks upfront while the destro's casters and healers can simply do there job in the back very easily and they just mash.

I've recently came back and in the beginning order was really not this bad, OK we are outnumbered that's 1 thing but using your head a bit is another.
Is order just being AFK'ed all the time or whats acctually going on ?

It's been a bit over a week that i'm playing now but it's really getting out of hand this is no way fun in anyway to spend your free time, i'm not expecting to win many scenario's or RvR whatsoever but damn out of 10 scenario's not even 1 has been won ...

Plain ridiculous.

This stupid question is answered the same way no matter who asks it. I don't know how you people are so dense.

Your experiences are not universal. They're anecdotal and statistically irrelevant.