Will there be a full wipe before beta/release?

[Althiya]

(I didn't see any dedicated forum section for questions, so please move this thread if it's in the wrong place.)

So I just spent a few days playing the game and had a rally great time with it - UNTIL I hit lvl 16 and became a T2, at which point the game became way too frustrating to be enjoyable, due to how gimped you are against higher-tier players and their advantages in terms of abilities, tactics, gear etc (at least when playing as the witch class).

Is there any plans for a fresh start when the game reaches some kind of release state? If so, I'm definitely gonna keep my tabs on it and join in then for an even playing field.

[wargrimnir]

No wipes planned for beta/release. The mere consideration of it tends to make the playerbase wet their collective pants.

You do have a disadvantage in abilities/tactics when bolstered, but even wearing green gear for your level will give you a significant stat advantage over them. You will always be at a disadvantage while pugging/soloing against players with more coordination, which is more likely the issue you're encountering.

[Althiya]

No wipes planned for beta/release. The mere consideration of it tends to make the playerbase wet their collective pants.

Lol okay

You do have a disadvantage in abilities/tactics when bolstered, but even wearing green gear for your level will give you a significant stat advantage over them. You will always be at a disadvantage while pugging/soloing against players with more coordination, which is more likely the issue you're encountering.

It's probably true that part of the issue stems from the player base consisting of mainly organized hardcore veterans, as opposed to the original game where a majority would be random solos.

As for the stats boosts though, they didn't seem to make much difference when 90% of enemies had abilities allowing them to escape/disable me, while I as a melee-dps have zero abilities to finish them off before that happens. (Had I been ranged-DPS, it would probably have been much easier.)

The only barely viable play-style I found was that of a melee-DPS-support following the tanks around on the frontline (basically /assist mode), but that was a very lackluster play-style for someone who was looking for stealth and flanking, and causing havoc in the enemy rear lines (which worked quite well in T1 rvr, where all casters/healers couldn't instantly spam disables/escapes).


Oh well, I guess I'll just hope that your player base increases to the point where you can revert to the original balance of 4 separate tiers, so I can keep playing then. Best of luck to the dev team.

[Collateral]

Give up after reaching rank 16 and concluding the entire game is bad based only on t1 experience, which basically has nothing to do with high tiers. Gg wp.

As for 'hard core veterans', yea no. There are so few 'hardcore' players on the server you could almost count them on your fingers. Also, playing a stealth class as, I imagine, your first character is not a great idea. This game is based around team play first, solo second. There are plenty of 'special snowflake' games out there, that do a far better job at it.

I would recommend to stick with scenarios and warbands until you lvl up close to 40. Then you can start soloing like a real mofo all day every day.

[CegeePegee]

Mdps is arguably the most difficult archetype in he game for new players. Even on a WE where you would expect solo play to be easier - still pretty damn difficult for even a seasoned player.

My advice - either try grouping with others (the open rvr warbands are one really good and easy option) so that you can see what your class can do when you're not constantly dead or try out a more user-friendly class for a while until you get more comfortable with the game mechanics. A great middle ground could be a 2h tank as they can still kill stuff but aren't made of paper.

To judge the entire game based on the weakest your class will ever be (i.e at the bottom of the rvr totem pole) is, imo, horribly short-sighted.

[Nidwin]

No offense meant but the witch elf is one of the toons I'm less "afraid" to bring in T2+ at level 16. You already have most of your skill set available and at level 17 you can get and slot Swift Movements. The progression through the tiers and levels was always smooth on a WE and the bolster should keep this smoothness going on in this new system. Just don't PL a WE as she'll be stuff dependend (especially for critt and pure dps) when out of the bolster.

It's not an easy class, high risk high reward, and it's often all or nothing. This won't change even at 40rr80 full stuffed.

[flatfoot1987]

There's a lot of talks like "what am I gonna do in T4 versus rr60 guys with my r16 toon".
Right at r16 it's pretty bad, yes. But it's effortless to get to r18 at which point you can join a group of guys farming Mayhem set. That will get you a half-decent kit of armor and quite a lot of xp.

Assuming you got Mayhem/Duelist/Devastator and some rare quality weapons you'll do just fine with that bolster. At this point you can even solo roam and get some kills vs 40s because you have a serious stat advantage over them. And it's basically a few hours away from hitting that r16.

For WH/WE the breaking point is when you hit r23 - you can pick bonus 50% crit damage from 3rd tree, your damage will start to be really noticeable. You gotta make it there and see how it goes.

I know what I'm talking about as I currently have a r29/31 Witch Hunter and most of that renown came from solo kills in orvr lakes. Also got a fresh 26/26 slayer, he's also doing more or less fine.

But the OP definitely has a point when he's talking about the playerbase. It's probably not hardcore veterans on every corner on RoR. But live servers were obviously different and there were a lot more people who would be considered vastly unexperienced by RoR standards.

I agree with the statement that mdps are harder to play in general but I'd also note that WE/WH have it a lot easier, borderline easymode in a lot of scenarios.

[Serbiansword]

Althiya, we all went through the stage of ass whooping by higher CR and RR levels. We've all been there. But guess what? Clench your teeth, get up and continue. Level up, work on your gear and your skills. Find a guild and start playing with your "crew", after all, this is a teamplay game. Slowly but surely you will be the one who will be giving that ass whooping.

[Althiya]

Mdps is arguably the most difficult archetype in he game for new players. Even on a WE where you would expect solo play to be easier - still pretty damn difficult for even a seasoned player.

I did get a bit suspicious when I would almost always be the only melee DPS in the entire warband during my time in T1 rvr.

To judge the entire game based on the weakest your class will ever be (i.e at the bottom of the rvr totem pole) is, imo, horribly short-sighted.

It's not my intention to judge the entire game, I'm just saying that the way you have it balanced currently, going from T1 to T2 as a melee DPS is like hitting a brick wall (especially considering that T1 rvr is so much fun).

There's a lot of talks like "what am I gonna do in T4 versus rr60 guys with my r16 toon".
Right at r16 it's pretty bad, yes. But it's effortless to get to r18 at which point you can join a group of guys farming Mayhem set. That will get you a half-decent kit of armor and quite a lot of xp.

Okay thanks. I actually got to r18 just before I stopped, so I'll keep that in mind if I decide to give it another try.

[VonEpic]

Whenever you're feeling down about your low/weak character...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYzMYcUty6s