2h ? 2 wield ?

[th3gatekeeper]

Dual wield looks dumb IMO. Would never use it. Would rather they just take away the parry bonus and strikethrough altogether. Most 2h tanks mitigate guard damage really well. 2h chosen can get like 60%+ parry with 100% uptime. So can SM and IB. BG too maybe?

I disagree, a DW Chosen would look BADASS. Also a DW SM could look pretty cool as well...

I wouldnt mind removing the "bonuses" frankly...

Most 2H tanks mitigate guard ONLY because they max RR on Parry %. Which basically forces all tanks into a pigeon hole with their RR where many other classes get to mess around with stats, crit, etc. etc... Also I disagree on 100% uptime. Many tanks have tactics that (also paired with RR Parry%) that scale... For instance BG scales on hate (doesnt have 100% uptime on hate). SM/BO scales on what stance they are in (not always sitting in Perfect Stance) etc. etc.

Also, if YOU dont like DW, you wouldnt have to use it! Thats the beauty of the thing.. Some (like me) would LOVE DW... Others like 2H... others like SnB... They should all have their pros/cons.

Point is, cosmetics are one of the STRONGEST motivating factors in this game. Why not take advantage of that, and allow tanks to use SNB/2H/DW and let them choose. I would love DW, especially if it gave me some innate parry %, it would free up some RR points I might spend elsehwere... or it might even free up a tactic slot on my BG to have a different spec... There are tons of options this opens up and frankly... isnt even "game changing" that much at all since it merely makes tanks who do their job, have a slightly increased QOL... There is a reason I see TONS of 2H lolDPS tanks not guard... because they havnt stacked parry % and would melt if guarding. Want to change that? give some nice options.... like DW...

[th3gatekeeper]

Bg with 100 hate can easily maintain 70%+

if your 2H and sitting on 100 hate, your doing it wrong.

SnB doesnt have many hate spenders, so its easy for SNB to do this, but that isnt even relevant to this discussion because were talking about 2H tanks

[GodlessCrom]

Can guarantee that whatever Peter was doing on Kosomot, it wasnt wrong :p And i only ever saw him play it as 2h. Also, I said chosen can maintain 100% uptime parry buff. Which they can easily. So can IB. Sm perhaps not (only 5 second buff) but they compensate with wods.

[peterthepan3]

Miss playing Kosomot.

Well with enraged beating and hate-on-attack, it's very easy to maintain 70 hate + on bg. Crimson death, toughness debuff and a few other things but EB keeps the hate high. High parry easily attainable, hence why I feel 2h bg is most 'viable' destro 2h tank.

[th3gatekeeper]

Can guarantee that whatever Peter was doing on Kosomot, it wasnt wrong :p And i only ever saw him play it as 2h. Also, I said chosen can maintain 100% uptime parry buff. Which they can easily. So can IB. Sm perhaps not (only 5 second buff) but they compensate with wods.

The only tank that can have their mechanic up reliably is Chosen.

Knights dont get parry %,
BO/SM get Parry % but only in max stance and SMs "eagle" move is hardly ever used because they can use WODS instead.
BG scales off hate (and must spec for it)
IB can get his easily up, but must SPEC for it.

These are funny arguments. I am saying "why not offer DW" it has zero major balance issues, makes things more fun and offers more build CHOICE.

Maybe instead of being FORCED to spec a certain tree and FORCED to spend 20 RR on parry %.... what if ANOTHER "option" was to go DW and get it.

Im not arguing that you cant get high parry %. Thats how I play... but saying "you can get high parry %" isnt an argument against DW lol. Its just stating a fact. Yeah, you can, on some tanks in some situations, if you spec that way.

But notice... you must SPEC that way. You guys are just being silly at this point.

[th3gatekeeper]

Miss playing Kosomot.

Well with enraged beating and hate-on-attack, it's very easy to maintain 70 hate + on bg. Crimson death, toughness debuff and a few other things but EB keeps the hate high. High parry easily attainable, hence why I feel 2h bg is most 'viable' destro 2h tank.

Yup, this is how I play my BG too. go 20 RR on parry. I grab parry on gear wherever I can get it, I SPEC Loathing to get Anger Drives me and then also SPEC Malice for EB/KD/CD etc. These are all spec choices.

This is exactly my point.... Why not allow for MORE options? Why pigeon hole 2H tanks into speccing 20 RR parry %, into speccing all these FORCED choices just to do their job? Why cant we offer MORE parry % OPTIONS to ALL tanks?

Also, as I said, cosmetics. Major driver. TONS of people want this, why not allow it since its not game breaking at ALL and adds more options? If you dont like it, dont use DW! Keep your 2H... I know TONS of people who would LOVE DW tanks... Also there is precedent as it WAS a "live" thing for Chosen too.

I see no reason NOT to allow this, besides just "Dev Time" which is a valid argument... Time spent doing this vs time spent doing something else.. if it is truly a cost... then yeah, maybe it takes a back seat.

[GodlessCrom]

I think dual wielding tanks would look dumb, and would require dev time spent on giving them animations, stating out weapons, etc.

I think more spec choices would be cool, but basically every class is pigeon holed into 1-3 specs anyways, so whatever. I have no problem getting high parry on my chosen, swordmaster, or Ironbreaker. Also, Eagles Flight is an improved balance skill, not perfect. Wods is still better than it, but there ya go.


This exchange might be why some of your ideas don't go over well, m8. You're responding with reams of text and caps to pretty small, minor critiques. Looks like youre over reacting. Takes away from your rhetorical ethos, I'd say.

[th3gatekeeper]

I think dual wielding tanks would look dumb, and would require dev time spent on giving them animations, stating out weapons, etc.

I think more spec choices would be cool, but basically every class is pigeon holed into 1-3 specs anyways, so whatever. I have no problem getting high parry on my chosen, swordmaster, or Ironbreaker. Also, Eagles Flight is an improved balance skill, not perfect. Wods is still better than it, but there ya go.


This exchange might be why some of your ideas don't go over well, m8. You're responding with reams of text and caps to pretty small, minor critiques. Looks like youre over reacting. Takes away from your rhetorical ethos, I'd say.

BO/SM get Parry % but only in max stance AND SMs "eagle" move is hardly ever used because they can use WODS instead.

Maybe this wasnt clear, but this is exactly why wall of texts are necessary. If I dont perfectly spell out, then people post with this "high and mighty you are dumb I am smart" attitude.... Ofc eagles whatever is improved. Its not used. You can WODS or increase your parry % using Perfect Defenses in Perfect Stance = 10% more parry, can also use GWM for more parry % etc. etc.

I am not saying you dont have a problem getting high parry. Ive never disagreed. Nowhere in my posts did I say "tanks need more parry%!" I said "hey this is a cool option AND would allow people to have more choice!"

Maybe you guys are just master trolls or something. I get frustrated because I have to literally spell out each and every thing, because the attitudes on these forums by players is sometimes SUPER shitty. How about we check a signature and realize "oh he plays an SM, maybe I should assume he isnt a total scrub and knows which ability is in which stance" and not even bring it up?

[dansari]

IDK I have SM in my sig and I'm a total scrub..

[GodlessCrom]

You're reading so much more rancor into my posts than what I intended, dude. Your point about eagles flight was unclear: you mention perfect balance and then the ability, it seems more natural to link those two statements than it does to infer you were discussing a niche, unnamed tactic. I apologize for misinterpeting what you meant, but it was not clear.

I didn't like the idea of tanks dual wielding. That's all. You're trying to convince me (or whomever) it's a good idea, that's fine, go for it. But you're not succeeding. I have liked some of your ideas in the past, for what it's worth.