2h ? 2 wield ?

[th3gatekeeper]

Whoa, when could Chosen dual wield? I missed that patch. And I was just poking fun, m8. You and him always post these massive walls of text, it can be fun to flick erasers at the smart kids

I dont know, im just reporting what I was told by a DEV (who will remain nameless) but was told for a short time Chosen could DW on live. I think it was very early on and was patched - aka removed.

Sorry for wall-o-texts its a habit I have gotten into because on these forums if you dont FULLY explain your view, people find any "straw" and try and knock down your argument or point with something they either didnt understand, or something else stupid... hence a fully explained/detailed post about the idea or point im trying to communicate.

[peterthepan3]

Full renown parry is only 18% chance to parry IIRC. BO doesnt have a parry self buff like SM, so they kinda doomed to have low avoidance in 2h does.

10% parry strikethrough is only for 2h wp, yeah.

...why only WP? Why does this make any sense? And then we wonder why people say stuff like "Order bias" lol. Clearly this is a tiny change that doesn't really effect much but still...why only one class?

Because DPS WP is arguably the worst class in the game and needed a bone thrown, perhaps?

[Dreadspectre]

Full renown parry is only 18% chance to parry IIRC. BO doesnt have a parry self buff like SM, so they kinda doomed to have low avoidance in 2h does.

10% parry strikethrough is only for 2h wp, yeah.

...why only WP? Why does this make any sense? And then we wonder why people say stuff like "Order bias" lol. Clearly this is a tiny change that doesn't really effect much but still...why only one class?

Because DPS WP is arguably the worst class in the game and needed a bone thrown, perhaps?

Are 2H tanks tearing up the charts outside IB/BG dickery?

I'm not saying WP didn't need help, I'm saying why only help WP.

[peterthepan3]

Yes, they are

2h sm bg kotbs chosen are all viable to a degree . 2h bo is squishiest but has greatest burst potential of all, hence lack of defense.

[GodlessCrom]

2h SM is arguably best 2h tank in game. 2h Chosen kinda blows without aoe CS IMO, but it also clearly wins Fashionhammer which, as we all know, is the true end-game

2h knight doesnt do all that much damage necessarily, but is viable to some extent. And the pure amount of stats they can stack are crazy.

[TenTonHammer]

...why only WP? Why does this make any sense? And then we wonder why people say stuff like "Order bias" lol. Clearly this is a tiny change that doesn't really effect much but still...why only one class?

Becuase dps DoK get a ton of free parry through renown dw and tactics

I meant more in regards to why only give WP 2H's the parry strikethrough and not, say, also tank 2H's or even MDPS(although I don't think WL are hurting for buffs...lol).

A long time back their was a push from the community to change the pointless block strike through to parry trike through to give 2h a buff to make it on par with DW but then a bucha people came in and sacred the devs off with statements about how out of control Wl would become and stuff

I hope with client control we can put in parry strikethrough but exclude wl 2h

[dansari]

DPS WP is definitely one of the lowliest classes in the game at the moment. I think the parry strikethrough was delivered as a bandaid test: can DPS WP succeed if given a 10% parry strikethrough on the level a DPS DOK can currently succeed (and please don't argue that DPS DOK is no better than DPS WP...)? If the answer turns out to be no, then other things will need to be looked at for the class... but I really can't see the point of arguing that either 1) 2h WP didn't need the strikethrough and it's had some miraculous impact in making the class OP, or 2) that giving 2h tanks a 10% parry strikethrough would have been a good idea (BOs, SMs, and Knights specifically would have seen a boost and I don't think any of those classes need buffing).

[th3gatekeeper]

DPS WP is definitely one of the lowliest classes in the game at the moment. I think the parry strikethrough was delivered as a bandaid test: can DPS WP succeed if given a 10% parry strikethrough on the level a DPS DOK can currently succeed (and please don't argue that DPS DOK is no better than DPS WP...)? If the answer turns out to be no, then other things will need to be looked at for the class... but I really can't see the point of arguing that either 1) 2h WP didn't need the strikethrough and it's had some miraculous impact in making the class OP, or 2) that giving 2h tanks a 10% parry strikethrough would have been a good idea (BOs, SMs, and Knights specifically would have seen a boost and I don't think any of those classes need buffing).

In all honesty though... 2h tanks dont need strikethrough, they need better access to guard damage mitigation. The only value strikethrough brings is when punting other tanks... So "block" strikethrough works fine for that.

I would MUCH prefer 2H provide 10% parry over 10% "strikethrough" anything... But I tried to carry this flag for a while and not many people supported it (eventhough there is some historical RL background for this).

However rather than argue what 2H should or shouldnt provide... I would rather just see tanks given a CHOICE. Let all tanks choose to DW or 2H and let people choose. Do you want 10% parry (for guard mitigation) OR do you want 10% strikethrough (block) for punting. Your choice.

I see no reason, other than lore and maybe some work on the DEV side, to not allow this. Frankly, I cant think of anything that gets me more excited than the thought of using DW on one of my tanks... It would be freaking AWESOME. You wouldnt need to do ANY other work, other than let tanks use DW.... No quests need updating, etc etc. All the "rules" are already in play. We already get 1Hers... It just seems like a "no brainer" option IF POSSIBLE... The only question I wonder is on animations...

[GodlessCrom]

Dual wield looks dumb IMO. Would never use it. Would rather they just take away the parry bonus and strikethrough altogether. Most 2h tanks mitigate guard damage really well. 2h chosen can get like 60%+ parry with 100% uptime. So can SM and IB. BG too maybe?

[peterthepan3]

Bg with 100 hate can easily maintain 70%+