15 highest RR of the server.... more than 1/4 are squig herders

[peterthepan3]

Yeah I have nothing against teefz or yipikaye or whomever but they are almost always in a group. They don't solo roam, they gank solo roamers and pugs from the warbands that chase them. Or they do scs.

Such a shame that this is the case. Would be awesome to see such players/groups promoting more fights against other guilds, but as it stands now it's the easiest way to make RR.

[Lektroluv]

Lol Kotbs not popular?? it is easy to fight against 4 kotbs in scenarios at USA hours, and i say the minimal amount of kotbs order has in every game is 2 at all hours.

Not as a main clearly or there would be more high rr ones. Most players will have multiple characters and many have all the careers on at least the one faction. They will main what they feel the most affinity towards. Be it art style or like me a nostalgia from playing the TT as a kid and having Teclis as my general most of the time.

I dont know why you argue this point as youre contradicting yourself. You say people play kotbs because its the best tank. But just looking whos online right now only Shaman is a more popular class than SH. So that would make them the most op by your reasoning.

You obiusly didn't read full comment, i said order change characters for take advantage of the game mechanic, kotbs in scenarios and range dps or healers in keep defenses,that is what make theyr kotbs beign lower renow ranked than they should be... not the game itself, is the player problem.

The who is online fact you argue about is not valid argument sorry, in a game where mostly all order players and some destruction ones use the game weakness for take advantage of it. For example xrealming after the first dead in open rvr, or play in open RVR for better renow wins which is not as tank friendly as scenarios (Open rvr is the place which make SH'S be hight ranked, not scenarios)
We could talk too about those high number of playing squigh herders you talking about, how many of them were in T4 (yes we must talk about T4, there is where you SH'S end's the love story and come in the mortal's world)

Even if you wanna follow the post logic, KoTBS still has one player in top 20 renow players list.
Where are the Blackguards in list? NONE, i assume they need a magnificent boost which make them OP, like enginers one, because i see a enginer in 4th higher renow player spot.

See? i can use the post demagogy too, and my blackguard will take benefit of the post too, sincerely the Squigh herder is not as cool as order wanna make it look, and all order players wich play one in t4 know this is true... is just a kill stealer with tons of low damage hits, or as some hight ranked and well know enginer say in him squigh herder "is just a debuffer, with very low damage output"

Enginers can shut you down in 2 abilities snipe+focused fire and turret abilities + autoattack + hollowpoints from 140-210 feets range hiting 4 or 5 times harder and with a much more impressive burst, and people winning about SH'S...be serious hahaha

Ranged Disarm and Interrupt and Pet FTW.

Ranged KD, why do people bring it up? SW has one ability that shines, compared to multiple ones for the SH, but it always comes down to the KD. The Squig Herder player is like a miser, he has a ton of gold but is jealous of the SW and his 50 silver! Really?

Stance Swap is not a benefit. Will trade stances for the ability to have all my ranged attacks on one stance just like the SH. Making something out of nothing here? YUP!!!!!!!!!

EDIT:
I love how every time someone calls out the SH class for being OP the same bunch of people get all offended and cry about how the SH is in need of boosting or is not OP or a whole bunch of stuff to downplay the class. Do you think anyone who has played Order (and does not play a SH) believes this? NOPE!
The SH is the most OP class in the game and has needed a NERF since live. Period.

About the whitch hunter Morrhead... are you joking, you can't kill a SH? it should be your favourite target next to sorcerers!! a toon with 5,5k wounds, wich dies before recover from your KD, and in case he survive will die from your DoT ability if he do not have cleansing winds up? if you don't spend points in dodge-disrupt, if you don't spend points in resolute defense, and now with the granted snare ability WH has, if you don't kill a SH'S is your problem, not SH one.
The Disarm only work tru the pet and that make it very problematic because most of the times you sent pet into a playboy party (is the only way of squigh herder for any noticiable damage) and he is not available next to you, if you don't wanna get disarmed spend some points in dodge like every player is doing (yes i stack 20 points in dodge,disrupts because that range KD from BW-SW you wanna skip talking about,and new enginer 210 feet range)
Actually thar range KD is the best CC killer in game, literaly make almost imposible survive the mele train, and it is the most breaking kite tool, after the pounce fix...as i said before be serious please.

Read what Stinkyweed told you about the shadow warrior class, i think he knows more than you about those two classes.



Edit: Since this post goes about demagogy information. I just went into Who's online section, i selected the characters list be ordered by renow levels amount, and found the first Blackguard in that ranking was in the 64th position.

Wanna make a post about Blackguards needing a boost, and the lack of high ranked players in that class now????

See, i can use demagogy too

[theoddone]

The reason for that is that the only thing high RR players want is more RR. At some point it becomes clear that the only way they can enjoy the game is to see the purple rain, regardless of what it brings (gear/renown points/fame).

I found your analysis of the "high RR players" to be very interesting, would you care to explain further? Thank you very much.

[drmordread]

Long boring nonsense because I did not read anyone's posts

Ummm I was talking about my SW. To Demagogue you must remain on topic. Go back, read what I was writing about SW compared to SH, and try again.
L2Demagogue

No shs are not op they have alot of weakness, and they need alot of special talent to be played at their maximum potential . for each teefz yipikaye, leakypants who can kite he **** outta any other toon and kill him there is alot of players who play shs more like a magus.

most of the biggest rr shs on the servers dont hide on zergs or go hide in a keep, they roam with big aao scoring kills . working their asses in the lakes no matter what aao is . in order u rarely see soloers outside whs and okdak(wl) no duo bw healers or sw . thats the difference and the why.

u can go hide in sc or behind the zerg doing xrealm or u can go balls to the walls and score kills with aao . wich is most of these shs do

With all due respect ... on live I rolled a SH. Easiest class to play in the game, rarely died, and almost always got the kill. Of course SH players are out there doing what you said they do. Because the class is OP, has way too many benefits, very few down sides, and can (as I like to joke around), go on coffee break and still get the kill with their pet.

Does it take skill to play one? YES! I agree. But my argument is NOT about skill or dedication. It is about a class being so OP, and yet its players always crying about the one SW ability that is better. ONE .... One ability .... really?

[drmordread]

Ranged Disarm and Interrupt and Pet FTW.

Ranged KD, why do people bring it up? SW has one ability that shines, compared to multiple ones for the SH, but it always comes down to the KD. The Squig Herder player is like a miser, he has a ton of gold but is jealous of the SW and his 50 silver! Really?

Stance Swap is not a benefit. Will trade stances for the ability to have all my ranged attacks on one stance just like the SH. Making something out of nothing here? YUP!!!!!!!!!

EDIT:
I love how every time someone calls out the SH class for being OP the same bunch of people get all offended and cry about how the SH is in need of boosting or is not OP or a whole bunch of stuff to downplay the class. Do you think anyone who has played Order (and does not play a SH) believes this? NOPE!
The SH is the most OP class in the game and has needed a NERF since live. Period.

from the man who said magus solo warbands, and who cry in pug sc because he fails to kill a sorc x3 and start droping tells about him being in a premade and who dies to choppa in kadrin valley 1vs 1 .


No shs are not op they have alot of weakness, and they need alot of special talent to be played at their maximum potential . for each teefz yipikaye, leakypants who can kite he **** outta any other toon and kill him there is alot of players who play shs more like a magus.

most of the biggest rr shs on the servers dont hide on zergs or go hide in a keep, they roam with big aao scoring kills . working their asses in the lakes no matter what aao is . in order u rarely see soloers outside whs and okdak(wl) no duo bw healers or sw . thats the difference and the why.

u can go hide in sc or behind the zerg doing xrealm or u can go balls to the walls and score kills with aao . wich is most of these shs do

this is what this topic is saying most other classes doesnt get renowns by strafing left and right dot up run away sure take special talent to do

What he just said .... and Yes, I have been playing long enough to know what a premade looks like. As to my abilities a WH, come find me in the lakes solo, and we can talk about it there.

[Eathisword]

Yeah I have nothing against teefz or yipikaye or whomever but they are almost always in a group. They don't solo roam, they gank solo roamers and pugs from the warbands that chase them. Or they do scs.

Ah... not true. I solo all the time and I fought both of them quite a lot 1v1 (lost 80% of the time, and I hate them forever for it ), but they don't fear to solo. Most of the time they seem to duo with a healer. There are some much more hardcore premade people then those 3-4 squigs players.

Also, everyone kills solos/pug players. That's the game. Furthermore, nearly everyone sometimes try to avoid other good players simply because there are fights you know you can't win, be it cause you are too outskilled or too outclassed or simply too outnumbered. And imo, it is a skill to know which fight you can handle and which fights you can't. So, I really don't see the point in diminishing their accomplishment (high RR) by implying they ''play it easy''. I don't think they do any more than everyone else.

Bottom line is : they play well and a lot.

[Lektroluv]

With all due respect ... on live I rolled a SH. Easiest class to play in the game, rarely died, and almost always got the kill. Of course SH players are out there doing what you said they do. Because the class is OP, has way too many benefits, very few down sides, and can (as I like to joke around), go on coffee break and still get the kill with their pet.

Does it take skill to play one? YES! I agree. But my argument is NOT about skill or dedication. It is about a class being so OP, and yet its players always crying about the one SW ability that is better. ONE .... One ability .... really?

This not live server, i seriusly doubt the damage mitigation is working as did on live, so doubt the damage tanks doing in full defensive is what the tanks used to do on defensive set on live (at least my kotbs was not even close to reach the damage they doing here on squishy targets)
If you played one SH on live i don't think you was used to see 30-47 hp hits with rotten arrer in some classes either.
If you talking about a class which can drink coffe while kills people, i think your target is white lion which just send pet hit sprint which outruns run away ability by double speed, and runs out of everyone while pet snare,knockdown,etc

[Dabbart]

Yea, to say that Teefz doesn't solo shows that you main Destro. Ofc you're not gonna now the frequency people are out there if you're not actively getting ganked/fighting them..

@Lektroluv, You got it perfect bro. Comparing things to Live is asinine at this point. This server has always been vastly different, but it is approaching an entirely different balance "meta" at this point. Which is a good thing btw.

On Live I hate SHs so much, I rolled a WH solely so I could Gank them. Then later for Duelz... In terms of WH ability, no need to toss **** at Mordread, the guy can play. Doesn't mean his points aren't generally self serving, or (imo) logical fallacies.

Back on point... One should ALSO REMEMBER that we had a Partial Renown Wipe a few months ago(back to 50 I believe). A LOT of the top RRs guys lost a **** ton of renown. And then regained it all(I could be wrong, but I believe Teefz was over 60 at the wipe, and Zeromancer and Nicelook right behind him).

Maybe, Just MAYBE. You shouldn't say "Damn! Look at those RRs! Those Classes are OP as hell!" and instead think, "Damn! Look at those RRs! Those guys either have 0 Life, or are freaking awesome!"

I have never actually "met" teefz on Coms. But I have played with plenty that apparently do know him, and the consensus is the exact same. It doesn't matter what class he is on, he would be wrecking your face with any of them. He is also really active. Class power has very little to do with Top RR at this point in the server. It is ALL about activity. And maining one class...

[GodlessCrom]

Yeah I have nothing against teefz or yipikaye or whomever but they are almost always in a group. They don't solo roam, they gank solo roamers and pugs from the warbands that chase them. Or they do scs.

Ah... not true. I solo all the time and I fought both of them quite a lot 1v1 (lost 80% of the time, and I hate them forever for it ), but they don't fear to solo. Most of the time they seem to duo with a healer. There are some much more hardcore premade people then those 3-4 squigs players.

Also, everyone kills solos/pug players. That's the game. Furthermore, nearly everyone sometimes try to avoid other good players simply because there are fights you know you can't win, be it cause you are too outskilled or too outclassed or simply too outnumbered. And imo, it is a skill to know which fight you can handle and which fights you can't. So, I really don't see the point in diminishing their accomplishment (high RR) by implying they ''play it easy''. I don't think they do any more than everyone else.

Bottom line is : they play well and a lot.

I wasn't trying to take anything away from them. Like I said, I have nothing against those players. If you've fought them solo, I don't doubt it. I also don't mind killing solo players, or being killed solo. That's just the game, nothing bad was meant about it. I solo all the time too, and I can count the times I've killed Teefz or Yipikaye or Jurki on one hand. I've actually probably never killed Teefz or Yipikaye while I was solo, for what it's worth ( I've gotten Jurki once or twice though ). I'll stand by what I said though: I almost always see those players with a group. Even if they're just duoing with a shaman (I saw Teefz doing that last night), that's still not solo. Maybe it's just the hours I play. And there's nothing wrong with that. They do play a lot, and they do play well. They're just not exactly "balls to the wall soloing the lakes" as Tankbeardz put it. They aren't exactly avoiding fights either. I've seen Teefz and his group kite whole warbands, for example, and laughed as my fellow order moan about how he must be cheating (he's not).

[NoRKaLKiLLa]

I just want Khorne to grant me demonhood.