willpower from items disrupt

[footpatrol2]

So I noticed that willpower from items is not adding disrupt to getstats. I'll file in a bug report on this. This is a pretty big deal. This also causes concerns on other stats contributing their effects. Is weaponskill adding parry? What do we know about this? Is getstats working correctly? I also noticed that willpower buff's from abilities are also not adding disrupt to getstats.

[wargrimnir]

It's not a bug. Disrupt is not the same as the base avoidance from Willpower.

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[Strikethrough]

The strikethrough effect of Strength, Ballistic Skill and Intelligence will ONLY oppose the Weapon Skill, Initiative and Willpower bonuses to avoidance. Avoidance gained from gear, renown or any other source is opposed only by the Strikethrough stat. This was done to prevent the guaranteed hardcap offensive stat of any DPS class from completely wiping out the effect of specced defenses for free.

[footpatrol2]

Please explain this slower to me. If I have say 1000 willpower I should have a decent amount of disrupt due to high willpower as it was in AoR. Somewhere like 60% disrupt. If a player is attacking me with say 1000 intel previously as I understood it it would gain a roughly 20 to 25% bypass on my disrupt. Taking my disrupt chance from 60% to 40% or 35%. The gains from disrupt/avoidence you made from willpower were higher then the bypass gain/rate from intel. When I'm saying bypass I am assuming its the same thing as strikethrough?

Is this not the case now in RoR? Please use the example I provided above in how it works now. Please break it down super slow. Maybe my example was too simplistic. I want to understand this very well.

[wargrimnir]

On items, gear, renown, etc, you have the Disrupt/Block/Parry/Dodge bonus.
Defensive stats have their own inherent bonus reflected in the character sheet.
Offensive stats can negate this inherent bonus.

The change is that offensive stats do not negate the Disrupt/Dodge/Block/Parry bonus. Only the Strikethrough stat will negate these bonuses. This is a buff for specced bonuses because you can't simply stack your offensive skill to negate them. It is also a buff to the Strikethrough bonus, as now it is the only way to negate the defensive bonus.

Getstats does not display an inherent bonus. I don't know the math for the inherent bonuses, but it doesn't really matter because it's not actually different.

[Dabbart]

I had this explained to me, so I could be repeating it wrong But:

The statdoll in RoR shows your defenses against a target with 0 str/bs/int, the .getstats either shows your defenses against your LvL or your stats. I can't remember which, but I think it is based on your stats... Clarification please.

What Wargrim is saying, is that the Disrupt from WP is pretty much negated in it's entirety since 90% of dps spell casters have near capped Int. The resists you gain from Gear or RR is NOT affected by this, and so it shows up in it's entirety. He explains the reasoning also. This is why .getstats shows it as such.

I had a statdoll addon that showed my RP with 83% disrupt... Don't trust all the stat dolls and addons.

[footpatrol2]

I still don't understand. Please go slower. Please explain to me how it used to work in AoR and how it works now. Please use an example.

If I stack high willpower am I gaining high disrupt chance or not? I do not trust the character sheet or remember being told to not trust the character sheet. Has the character sheet been fixed? Can I trust the character sheet now?

On my shaman I have 987 willpower. The character sheet states I have 33.5% chance to disrupt. Getstats states I have a 2% chance to disrupt. That 2% from getstats I guess is coming from my ruin gloves. I have 2% disrupt gear and zero renown points placed in deft defender.

If my opponent is running 987 intelligence is he bypassing all my disrupt due to strike through? Is the equation for strikethrough the same equation for the avoidence gain. I remember the avoidance gained was higher then the strikethrough from AoR but I could be wrong on that.

What I mean by this is if the offensive stat and defensive stat are the same value you would be left over with disrupt.

Is strikethrough like the 2% chance can't be disrupted items?

Why was there a change? This is a pretty HUGE change that I must have not paid attention too.

[blaqwar]

This is how it used to work on AoR (from viewtopic.php?f=11&t=965&start=50#p103820)

Live formula:
DisruptStrikeThrough% = (Caster.Intelligence / (Caster.Level * 7.5 + 50) * 0.075) + Caster.DisruptStrikeThrough
TargetDisrupt% =((Target.Willpower + Target.DisruptSkill ) / (Target.Level * 7.5 + 50) * 0.075) + Target.Disrupt%
FinalDisrupt% = TargetDisrupt% - DisruptStrikeThrough%

So on live:
Level 32 sorc with 1000 int will have disrupt reduction of 25.86% against same level target.
Level 40 sorc with 1000 int will have disrupt reduction of 21.42% against same level target.
(you can see why a magic caster on live with high int would rarely see a disrupt.)

This means that at level 40 being hit by a level 40 caster your 987 Willpower would have contributed 21.15% disrupt. But then again, as you can see from Londo's example above, a level 40 caster with 1000 Int negated 21.42% of your Disrupt with Intellect. The final disrupt chance on a spell of the Sorc in the example landing on your Shaman was "21.15% - 21.42% = You're buggered"

But the above caculation is excluding any "+1% Disrupt" from gear or abilties. On live those would be counted on your side of the equation (the 21.15% chance to Disrupt) while the caster would have any of his "+1 reduced chance to be Disrupted" on his side of the equation (the 21.42% chance Disrupt negation).

Now if I'm not mistaken on any of this the equation is a bit different on RoR. As far as I know the Willpower portion and the Intellect portion of the equation are the same. The Disrupt chance from your Willpower and the Disrupt negation from the caster's Intellect clash to see what your disrupt chance is.

However on RoR Intellect has no effect on the "+% Disrupt" from items or abilities. That can only be negated by "+% reduced chance to be Disrupted" from items and abilities.

TL;DG (Too Long; Didn't Get): Int will only reduce the portion of the target's chance to Disrupt that comes from Willpower. It will do nothing beyond that. To negate any "% Disrupt" from items and abilities you would need "% reduced chance to be Disrupted" from items and abilities.

Anyone is free to correct me (with sources ofc). I do not know if the WP/INT formula is the same as on AoR, but I do know that the disrupt% only being negated by reduced disrupt% mechanic is a fact. Which I think is the important part.

[anarchypark]

let's say you have 20% disrupt in .getstat by +% disrupt items and RR skill
and with 1000 willpower your disrupt % in character sheet is increased say 30% ( for example )

enemy have 2% Strikethrough ( from -2% reduced disrupt chance items ) and 1000 int

you have at least 18% disrupt against that enemy
but your extra 10% disrupt from willpower is negated by enemy int
i don't know formula, so it's 18% + 0~? % disrupt

if your willpower was 0
you still have 18% disrupt in this example

most dps maxed their offensive stat
so inherent bonus from defensive stat( 10% bonus in this example ) is not that much IMO
+% parry/disrupt/dodge that shows in .getstat is much more important

[footpatrol2]

Thanks for the reply guys. It is much appreciated.

[Telen]

Its trying to avoid making avoidance pointless when dps get past your avoidance while naturally specing their damage stat and we dont have the situation where were all just trying to avoid crit damage instead. Makes those pve avoidance jewel sets actually worth something and 2h tanks not just renown pinatas.