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[Bozzax]

@9
Wasn't this changed when BO dots LM was changed to procs?

[Kazekiri]

When the proc meta will be revisited, and when BG career three will be reshaped, it will allows an easier access to parry tactic and we will get our wall of dart.
When I was playing my 2h BG, I was able to put significant amount of dps, non proc based, believe me. If you can increase that a bit more, adding a KD, I think you are close to make a spot in a grp for a 2h BG. If you give him unique ability, as the best armor debuff destro side, you give him an even bigger access in the party.
We could aswell add a parry trigger KD 3sec and a block trigger KD 5 sec so both BG style would be happy.

[Tesq]

2h bg have this great advatange that 2h mean ingore 10% block so apply the defense reduction you then ingore 20% block on order tank then you debuff em with crit and snare em all.

then with st crit debuff, very logn KB, and maybe a fixed KD it's a solid pretty good 2h build it coudl compete with the 2h SM that way.

it just need this to not be rr 60 spec aynmore, that's how much important is fix the mid path

[Jaycub]

>2h bg have this great advatange that 2h mean ingore 10% block

Spoiler:

[Tesq]

insted troll look about it to a rvr perspective which is where you want the 2h and not sc where you prefer currently go s+b for the KD.

if totally nullify all tanks enemy wb def meccanic it's not enough for you then what bg should have ?

[TenTonHammer]

insted troll look about it to a rvr perspective which is where you want the 2h and not sc where you prefer currently go s+b for the KD.

if totally nullify all tanks enemy wb def meccanic it's not enough for you then what bg should have ?

No because

The performance of a class in a WB setting is not a metric to which we look for at the balance and viability of a class or one of its arch types

Espically not when the main selling point is

"i can have any tank withing 30 ft of me have -20% block so i can spam crimson death on the better, before i die from all the AoE being spammed around b/c im a squishy 2h tank near the front lines of the enemy"

In RvR id much rather be more durable with SnB for HTL so that i can have near 100% disrupt

And dont tell me that nonsense about "competitive warbands" and all that

[Ninepaces]

When the proc meta will be revisited, and when BG career three will be reshaped, it will allows an easier access to parry tactic and we will get our wall of dart.
When I was playing my 2h BG, I was able to put significant amount of dps, non proc based, believe me. If you can increase that a bit more, adding a KD, I think you are close to make a spot in a grp for a 2h BG. If you give him unique ability, as the best armor debuff destro side, you give him an even bigger access in the party.
We could aswell add a parry trigger KD 3sec and a block trigger KD 5 sec so both BG style would be happy.

mm, I dont believe you actually, not in a build where you're not sacrificing defense or mobility (unstoppable juggernaught). You still have to tank lol, its not 1v1. WODS importance isnt just the parry, its the dodge/disrupt as well.

[th3gatekeeper]

So since posting in this thread I have been leveling a BG to get a better understanding of how they work. I am only lvl 20 atm, so take this all with a grain of salt, but one suggestion Id like to throw out would be this.

- What if Shield of Rage also applied to your dark protector... so it applies it to both you and your dark protector. This would provide some "group" damage mitigation - that seems to be lacking (so far) with the BG....

Would that be too good?

[footpatrol2]

Spoiler:

Have you guys tried out the BG in the proc meta?

Hastened doom tactic gives the BG basically a on demand 50% auto attack speed increase along with a wounds debuff. The wounds debuff is coming from a tank which is different then it coming from a marauder. Marauder's are not Must have's in Proc meta.

Whatever on that.

Just focus on the attack speed and the melee channel enraged beating the malice BG has access too. Right now everything is about proc's, which also means everyone is scrambling to find extremely fast attack speeds. The Malice BG is a blender in fast attack speeds but hits like a wet noodle at times. You almost don't even care about the damage the class does in proc meta you care about actually being able to TOUCH someone to trigger the proc's. BG's have great tools to do this and great tools to ensure your group mates are able to touch targets also. Furious howl... If you attached proc's to the BG he won't be hitting like a wet noodle... I suspect but am unsure that the BG is designed to perform very very well in proc meta specifically with heavy spec'd malice tree BG's.

Its worth testing out. I've done some light testing and on champ mobs with only 2 proc's on the BG coming from 2 Dok's with alternate covenants celerity/vitality. The damage boost is significant. The BG might be viable in proc meta. This isn't even the max amount of proc's you can set up in a group.

You don't have to use a 2hnder in the malice tree only one ability requires that you do.

Since a lot of proc meta groups are based on using 2 dok's with the option of using a dps dok Dok's to get thier auto attack increaser from criting... They have to crit to make Dok's explosive for the damage output to start triggering proc's like crazy. The malice BG assists Dok's to start up their crit train which in turn gets the proc's rollin with the use of crimson death.

This proc stuff is vicious. The fights are over super fast. If you can end fights super fast you dont' need morale pumps or whatever because the fight will be over WAY before that stuff becomes a option.

Whatever on that last point. Test out the Bg in the proc meta stuff using the hastened doom tactic and enraged beating. I'm interested in players experiences with using a malice BG in proc meta. This proc meta stuff might put BG's on the table for competitive play, I dunno. Seems like they could be valuable at least on paper for this. Groups based on proc's is somewhat new so... Also... if it does... that means BG's should probably be trying to defend proc meta to stay roughly as is and not get gutted because this is a potential avenue that they can actually excel in.

[Bozzax]

Bud what about posting this in the proc meta thread instead of a full derail?