Saving Scenarios (the endangered species part of WAR)

[TenTonHammer]

This is why we need unified currency, Inc set costs if you want but let people play the way they want, stop focing people to play content they dont want to unless they need to get the gear they need for their class

I hate ORVR espically T4 oRVR, sc's are much more fun and enjoyable for me but if i want defensive Anni sets, i have to grind out in pointless zerg fests

[Gachimuchi]

SCs give horrible renown. An average scenario gives 2.5k-4k renown(not taking into account the 75% reduction at 40). You can go out into the lakes with AAO and get one kill and get that much renown. Or you can get on a siege weapon and get hundreds of thousands of renown in under an hour.

1. Very bad idea : scens giving more renown then RvR will only result in super-meta-premade queuing everywhere and grinding renown against pug way too fast. NA has already not much RvR, doing this would transform the game into an instanced PvP game like WoW Battlegrounds.

Yeah, bumping up renown gained in scenarios is still not on par with just doing ORvR. It takes hours upon hours to gain one renown rank doing scenarios, even pre-40. Go do open and you're showered with the stuff.

2. Bad idea also, same reason as above : scens are just too easy to farm. At least RvR as an element of randomness to it. I'd even suggest (I did somewhere else) to remove scenario armor sets like mercenary. Want good armor : do RvR. Want good weapon : do scens.

They're only easy as the players are. ORvR is even easier to farm. This is a community problem where people prefer to whine about premades instead of making their own. The devs have already said there are going to be no further scenario sets.

3. This, I don't care. Most people mains have capped influence in every zone. Not like it takes a long time to max it out. And although the rewards are awesome now... in the future, they will be obsolete. Probably not worth spending time coding it.

Sure it doesn't take long to cap influence... if you're always doing ORvR. I don't personally care about it that much but it would be much easier to make scenarios give more renown. As opposed to coding in new dyes or other stuff to incentivize SCs and make them a viable way to get renown, or at least make it on par with ORvR.

[Dabbart]

Dabart ..... green gear? Really? You think green gear is an option for a 40/40+ player? ..... SMH

Actually yea. The RR green gear has tali slots, and the stats really aren't bad. You can choose from 3 different types as well, so for WP there is 1 for STR based, 1 that is Will based, and 1 that is tough/ini/wounds based. You should really go check it out. They can be really good for a powerlevled char that needs RR.

You don't get the % bonus' nor do you get the set bonus'. But if you honestly believe that the SC/Ruin gear provides you nothing, or it is an Alt that you don't want to spend hours upon hours grinding to equip, then yes. They work just fine.

No, you wont be the greatest in the grn, but it's better than Dev/stalker and better than 35purp.

I never said it was a very good option, or something that you should strive for. But don't say that there is no other option besides SCs/ORvR/PQs for gear. Cause there is. It's not BiS, but that is irrelevant.

I entirely understand why people want to be able to gain both emblems and medallions from SCs. It's the same reason I would like to be able to drive in the car-pool lane, even if I'm not car-pooling. 'Cause it would be really convenient for me. I just don't understand the argument that it should be changed to help the few. I don't see anyone in here arguing that ORvR rewards should be able to be swapped with SC ones. There are plenty of people that dislike SCs, but they are really easy to farm. Hence all the people talking about how they have capped everything they can buy with the rewards...

[Eathisword]

I'll restate, scenario are easy. You can contribute nothing at all... like literally 0, you can run around and /dance naked for 10 minutes. You can play like utter crap. If your team has a premade on it, odds are you are gonna win and get 6 emblems and renown for absolutely nothing.

In RvR, if you are a crap player that don't bother to group intelligently/suck at soloing and at winning fights, you get nothing. If you are a zergling, you get very close to nothing. Hence the complain : oh the grind... its too long... blablabla...

What you people ask is the equivalent of a WoW raider asking for the BiS armor in an easy mode 6 man dungeon because he doesn't like 25 man Heroic Raids... They are too hard. I don't like it. Don't force me to do content i don'T like, pretty please...

If anything, I'd agree that people queuing Caledor 6v6 premade should get the same rewards then the RvR ones, cause it requires effort to group up intelligently and improve over time to win a lot in there. So I'd feel it justified to give them a quest like : for every 1 or 2 wins in Caledor Woods scenario, receive 5 officer's medallions.

If all you want is solo queue PuG scen... why in hell should that entitle you to the best gear in the game ? That'S not a valid argument, that's a childish demand. Queue them, have fun, enjoy your time. You don't need BiS for that.

[drmordread]

Sorry but I see no point in queuing for SCs knowing that it will be pre-made (with vent) vs. PuG without healers- It's a waste of time. 2 renown points 0 Emblems in 14 minutes is an utter waste of time in what's already waste of time.
They're fun...but only when it's PuG vs. PuG.

In all of my years of playing WAR, AoR and RoR, this happens maybe twice an hour and those SC's are over in less than 8 min since the OP side takes all objectives and the points just pile in. This leaves me with 44 minutes of fun SC time. So I actually would make pretty good RR and medallion count if SC's were given a little love.

Destro has very- very few premades, so that's probably why you only come across two every hour. But when playing against Order it's premade after premade after premade- I'd get maybe two PuGs every hour- so I just don't bother with them. They're just not worth it.
Not because I get more renown from orvr- but because they just aren't fun.

I play destro too. KEYWORD is play. When I log on to a character I am on it all day and do not fly back and forth for ticks.

I do not have a problem playing destro in SC's.

[drmordread]

I'll restate, scenario are easy. You can contribute nothing at all... like literally 0, you can run around and /dance naked for 10 minutes. You can play like utter crap. If your team has a premade on it, odds are you are gonna win and get 6 emblems and renown for absolutely nothing.

In RvR, if you are a crap player that don't bother to group intelligently/suck at soloing and at winning fights, you get nothing. If you are a zergling, you get very close to nothing. Hence the complain : oh the grind... its too long... blablabla...

What you people ask is the equivalent of a WoW raider asking for the BiS armor in an easy mode 6 man dungeon because he doesn't like 25 man Heroic Raids... They are too hard. I don't like it. Don't force me to do content i don'T like, pretty please...

If anything, I'd agree that people queuing Caledor 6v6 premade should get the same rewards then the RvR ones, cause it requires effort to group up intelligently and improve over time to win a lot in there. So I'd feel it justified to give them a quest like : for every 1 or 2 wins in Caledor Woods scenario, receive 5 officer's medallions.

If all you want is solo queue PuG scen... why in hell should that entitle you to the best gear in the game ? That'S not a valid argument, that's a childish demand. Queue them, have fun, enjoy your time. You don't need BiS for that.

Throughout this entire thread I have yet to read anything of yours that actually makes sense.

Do nothing and get 6 emblems. OK Yes. But you can also join a WB do nothing and still wind up making medallions. Either way I have no problems with it. It sucks but its an mmo and all mmo's have this problem. Not rewarding SC players the same way as those who zerg all the time is silly.

As a matter of fact, the average SC player does more fighting, knows how to play their class better, and knows more about how to beat enemy classes than your average lake zerger. So in all fairness, the SC player should get more rewards. But that is not what I am asking .... all I am asking is for equal rewards for people who do more and tougher fighting than anything you will find in the lakes.

[drmordread]

Dabart ..... green gear? Really? You think green gear is an option for a 40/40+ player? ..... SMH

Actually yea. The RR green gear has tali slots, and the stats really aren't bad. You can choose from 3 different types as well, so for WP there is 1 for STR based, 1 that is Will based, and 1 that is tough/ini/wounds based. You should really go check it out. They can be really good for a powerlevled char that needs RR.

You don't get the % bonus' nor do you get the set bonus'. But if you honestly believe that the SC/Ruin gear provides you nothing, or it is an Alt that you don't want to spend hours upon hours grinding to equip, then yes. They work just fine.

No, you wont be the greatest in the grn, but it's better than Dev/stalker and better than 35purp.

I never said it was a very good option, or something that you should strive for. But don't say that there is no other option besides SCs/ORvR/PQs for gear. Cause there is. It's not BiS, but that is irrelevant.

I entirely understand why people want to be able to gain both emblems and medallions from SCs. It's the same reason I would like to be able to drive in the car-pool lane, even if I'm not car-pooling. 'Cause it would be really convenient for me. I just don't understand the argument that it should be changed to help the few. I don't see anyone in here arguing that ORvR rewards should be able to be swapped with SC ones. There are plenty of people that dislike SCs, but they are really easy to farm. Hence all the people talking about how they have capped everything they can buy with the rewards...

So again, this proves my point in the thread. SC's need to have rewards equal to the Lakes. SC's are just as much RvR as the lakes, so ,,,,

[Dabbart]

Mordred, 2 things.

1, Why are you always multiposting? You can edit your own post, or break it up.

2, no it doesn't. It doesn't "prove" anything. You just don't want to ORvR and can't accept that people don't agree with you. So you fail to comprehend or care about anyone else's points.

SCs give very special rewards. Rewards you can't find anywhere else. You not playing a class that REALLY wants those rewards? Oh well. Just enjoy the Fights then.

You grind what you need to grind in order to compete at a high lvl. If you get this, the very next thread you make will be add Potion and tali drops to all players, since the current system is FORCING YOU to grind boring PvE or spend tons of gold.

I call shennanigans.

Edit: If it is so equal and fair, why are you not equally pushing for SC emblems to be dropped in ORvR?

[Gachimuchi]

I'll restate, scenario are easy. You can contribute nothing at all... like literally 0, you can run around and /dance naked for 10 minutes. You can play like utter crap. If your team has a premade on it, odds are you are gonna win and get 6 emblems and renown for absolutely nothing.

The only same reward you will get for doing nothing are emblems. Once you have the gear they are next to useless until the next tier of weps come out. In open, you get to play the gold/purple bag lotto for doing nothing.

In RvR, if you are a crap player that don't bother to group intelligently/suck at soloing and at winning fights, you get nothing. If you are a zergling, you get very close to nothing. Hence the complain : oh the grind... its too long... blablabla...

What you people ask is the equivalent of a WoW raider asking for the BiS armor in an easy mode 6 man dungeon because he doesn't like 25 man Heroic Raids... They are too hard. I don't like it. Don't force me to do content i don'T like, pretty please...

People join the zerg and mash their AoE buttons. They get small rewards, but they still get rewarded. They can also run around and /dance naked for 10 minutes and still get medallions because they're in a warband. Can also apply the same groups: if you're a crap player and fail to group intelligently for SCs you will hardly ever win unless you get carried by another premade. As far as soloing goes, not every class has the capability to solo effectively... I'm sure from the position of an IB main its easy to lose sight of that You also didn't address the ability to hop on siege and spam LMB for heaps of renown/inf/medallions.

I never played WoW so your analogy is lost on me.

If anything, I'd agree that people queuing Caledor 6v6 premade should get the same rewards then the RvR ones, cause it requires effort to group up intelligently and improve over time to win a lot in there. So I'd feel it justified to give them a quest like : for every 1 or 2 wins in Caledor Woods scenario, receive 5 officer's medallions.

If all you want is solo queue PuG scen... why in hell should that entitle you to the best gear in the game ? That'S not a valid argument, that's a childish demand. Queue them, have fun, enjoy your time. You don't need BiS for that.

In 6v6 people don't die very often. And one side can win in kills and still lose because they didn't bother to cap. Why? Because PvFlag in scenarios is boring, they'd rather be in a heated session of murderball versus similarly skilled players. I consider that having fun.

[Shutyergob]

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