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Bozzax
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Bretin saga

Post#1 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:36 am

Only make this post as everything is restricted or locked.
It doesn't look great for the GM team, like we're picking on specific people because we don't like them.
No it doesn’t but when GMs make new rules for players that we know certain GMs don't like and let them ban the same players it looks bad.

Even more so if you follow up with more bans from the same GM for actions they have a recorded history of doing and that most would consider normal in a PvP game. Especially if it also requires further changes to the TOS.
However in context of the ban, the players you decided to disrespect tonight were targeted at a specific guild. I know this mind you, because I watched two hours of your stream. I watched chat pop up with it's vile idea that the GM's are banning people they don't like, that corpsejumping was something explicitly not allowed.
Then your group went right ahead, picked on two FMC members, and showed them exactly how you felt. No one else, just them. No one else for over an hour. JUST. THEM.
Enigma killed FMC and that they corpse jumped FMC. The question I have was this normal behaviour?
(By the way you need to update your TOS there isn't much explicitly about corpse jumping in it.)

Looking at it objectively I think it safe to say Ade despised/disliked Bretin
First and foremost. If I was following standard banning here, you would have been gone for 7 days. I gave you 3. I think it is you that needs to remove that stick from your self entitled behind and do away with your elitism and superior viewpoint on this server. You mention fun here and how its gone for a lot of people included here. How is it fun for others when you constantly belittle them? make them feel worthless? bully them? harass them? Its not, I would rather the hundreds people that fall victim to your nature have fun than the 1 that causes it.
We also know FMC and Enigma have a long documented history of disliking each other and corpse jumping members of FMC.
Continued to do this on stream with a player Grobbok and also proceeded to corpse jump him and make fun at his expense.
Ban 1
Offence : Not taking client crash warning seriously and then breaking a promise made to yaliskah that he would not longer include audio on his stream due to him talking down and being disrespectful to other players. Continued to do this on stream with a player Grobbok and also proceeded to corpse jump him and make fun at his expense.
GMs decided to start moderating content outside of the RoR server/forum. An initial ban vas handed out on this new policy that in my eyes seems like it was created for the purpose of targeting Bretins stream.

Ban 2
Reason: Annoyance/harassment based on retribution against a GM
Enigma killed FMC a couple of times in the lake a guild we know they dislike. However, there is actually surprisingly little that video that supports that this was a retribution vs Ade.

- The first encounter was FMC going for Enigma.
- They avoided direct confrontation with the GM (Ade)
- It is quite normal for a PM to go for other PMs or high profile players especially the ones that are on your groups dislike list.
- They corpse jump dead FMC-players (not Ade) a guild we already know they have a documented history of corpse jumping and disliking.

So is this a retribution vs Ade? I guess for me at least I would have required Enigma doing stuff that they don’t normally do. They killed FMC when they came across them in the lake which can be expected. They corpse jumped FMC a thing we know they normally do. Maybe a bit more then usual sure but I don't know really.
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Re: Bretin saga

Post#2 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:37 am

inb4 404
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Re: Bretin saga

Post#3 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:45 am

hm i read much about these .
server crashing = nogo
Saying stupid things about other players on live stream = nogo
a lot of things there where nogo in my eyes but rly i got ONE question .
Wtf is going on to see corpse jumping as an harrasment .... are all pll crazy or whtas wrong with humans ....
press respawn u dont have to look that ppl jump on bodys or somthing wtf .... how personal sensible can someone be that see a damnit avatar in a game jumping on youre avatar ans an PERSONAL harrasment -.-.-.-.-.-. wtf
i love dat community and i think the ban is correkt . But dat corspe jump thing ... wtf wake up ppl
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Re: Bretin saga

Post#4 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:46 am

I dont think that copy paste from Ban appeals forum is allowed tbh, having said that I find that the discussion is a gigantic snorefest overthere and please, I ask, dont bring this shite to the general forums.
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Re: Bretin saga

Post#5 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:49 am

just what we needed, another enigma thread about all the unfairness towards them. /cry
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Post#6 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:50 am

while i really appreciate your post and effort bozzax i highly recommend you stop arguing about it. it is for your own sake.

needless to say that enigma will quit the game once and for all. you will not see our group ever again. those who are interessted in my stream and our gameplay are more than welcome to watch and follow it.

one last thing i do want to add is this screenshot since the appeal topic is locked:
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this is gonna be my last post here. dont expect me to answer any pm's or such either.

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Re: Bretin saga

Post#7 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:01 am

Bozzax wrote:
Enigma killed FMC and that they corpse jumped FMC. The question I have was this normal behaviour?
(By the way you need to update your TOS there isn't much explicitly about corpse jumping in it.)

Looking at it objectively I think it safe to say Ade despised/disliked Bretin
I thought same way, some sort of personal bs. Making up harassment ****, I remember there was some sort of event on official server where you could literraly put a flag on your enemy's corpse. This game is not for little girls.
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Re: Bretin saga

Post#8 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:04 am

Bozzax - 'They killed FMC when they came across them in the lake which can be expected'

lol

But tbh most people that have been playing on this server for a while know that there are great GM's and those that aren't so great and enjoy using their power in ways they shouldn't sometimes. That is expected because humans aren't perfect but the GM's that make mistakes should be accountable to someone. Having each GM being able to be his own god in game basically wont be good for the community.
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Re: Bretin saga

Post#9 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:06 am

Bozzax wrote:Only make this post as everything is restricted or locked.
However in context of the ban, the players you decided to disrespect tonight were targeted at a specific guild. I know this mind you, because I watched two hours of your stream. I watched chat pop up with it's vile idea that the GM's are banning people they don't like, that corpsejumping was something explicitly not allowed.
Then your group went right ahead, picked on two FMC members, and showed them exactly how you felt. No one else, just them. No one else for over an hour. JUST. THEM.
Enigma killed FMC and that they corpse jumped FMC. The question I have was this normal behaviour?
(By the way you need to update your TOS there isn't much explicitly about corpse jumping in it.)

Looking at it objectively I think it safe to say Ade despised/disliked Bretin
First and foremost. If I was following standard banning here, you would have been gone for 7 days. I gave you 3. I think it is you that needs to remove that stick from your self entitled behind and do away with your elitism and superior viewpoint on this server. You mention fun here and how its gone for a lot of people included here. How is it fun for others when you constantly belittle them? make them feel worthless? bully them? harass them? Its not, I would rather the hundreds people that fall victim to your nature have fun than the 1 that causes it.
We also know FMC and Enigma have a long documented history of disliking each other and corpse jumping members of FMC.
Continued to do this on stream with a player Grobbok and also proceeded to corpse jump him and make fun at his expense.
Ban 1
Offence : Not taking client crash warning seriously and then breaking a promise made to yaliskah that he would not longer include audio on his stream due to him talking down and being disrespectful to other players. Continued to do this on stream with a player Grobbok and also proceeded to corpse jump him and make fun at his expense.
GMs decided to start moderating content outside of the RoR server/forum. An initial ban vas handed out on this new policy that in my eyes seems like it was created for the purpose of targeting Bretins stream.

I bet Bretin was pissed off no doubt about it.Personally I also think GMs moderating streams is a new low water mark by all standards.

Ban 2
Reason: Annoyance/harassment based on retribution against a GM
Enigma killed FMC a couple of times in the lake a guild we know they dislike. However, there is actually surprisingly little that video that supports that this was a retribution vs Ade.

- The first encounter was FMC going for Enigma.
- They avoided direct confrontation with the GM (Ade)
- It is quite normal for a PM to go for other PMs or high profile players especially the ones that are on your groups dislike list.
- They corpse jump dead FMC-players (not Ade) a guild we already know they have a documented history of corpse jumping and disliking.

So is this a retribution vs Ade? I guess for me at least I would have required Enigma doing stuff that they don’t normally do. They killed FMC when they came across them in the lake which can be expected. They corpse jumped FMC a thing we know they normally do. Maybe a bit more then usual sure but I don't know really.
It doesn't look great for the GM team, like we're picking on specific people because we don't like them.
No it doesn’t but when GMs make new rules for players that we know certain GMs don't like and let them ban the same players it looks bad.

Even more so if you follow up with more bans from the same GM for actions they have a recorded history of doing and that most would consider normal in a PvP game. Especially if it also requires further changes to the TOS or using of the don't be a d*** rule.
Please dont make assumptions. Speaking from personal experience we have never one been corpse jumped by them in the past until they got salty about a ban, so please do not assume you have any idea about it. Ade is not the only member of the guild and just because he's a GM shouldn't make a difference. I dont see other guilds getting harassed for having a GM and that's not our fault. Re-read the ban thread and get actual context for it.
PartizanRUS wrote:
Bozzax wrote:
Enigma killed FMC and that they corpse jumped FMC. The question I have was this normal behaviour?
(By the way you need to update your TOS there isn't much explicitly about corpse jumping in it.)

Looking at it objectively I think it safe to say Ade despised/disliked Bretin
I thought same way, some sort of personal bs. Making up harassment ****, I remember there was some sort of event on official server where you could literraly pur a flag on your enemy's corpse. This game is not for little girls.
Again, learn how to do research and get context before making stupid assumptions. They never corpse jumped us or did harass emotes in the past, they got butthurt over a ban and made it worse for themselves, but you would have no idea since you didn't bother to read the post or have any clue about what goes in our guild would you?
blakokami wrote:Bozzax - 'They killed FMC when they came across them in the lake which can be expected'

lol
More sad ****, we dont need to wave our dicks around when we beat them in the lakes. More often than they admit hey right tomato?
Bretin wrote:while i really appreciate your post and effort bozzax i really recommend you stop arguing about it. it is for your own sake.

needless to say that enigma will quit the game once and for all. you will not see our group ever again. those who are interessted in my stream and our gameplay are more than welcome to watch and follow my stream.

one last thing i do want to add is this screenshot since the appeal topic is locked:
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this is gonna be my last post here. dont expect me to answer any pm's or such either.
Bye.

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Re: Bretin saga

Post#10 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:08 am

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Bozzax wrote:Only make this post as everything is restricted or locked.
However in context of the ban, the players you decided to disrespect tonight were targeted at a specific guild. I know this mind you, because I watched two hours of your stream. I watched chat pop up with it's vile idea that the GM's are banning people they don't like, that corpsejumping was something explicitly not allowed.
Then your group went right ahead, picked on two FMC members, and showed them exactly how you felt. No one else, just them. No one else for over an hour. JUST. THEM.
Enigma killed FMC and that they corpse jumped FMC. The question I have was this normal behaviour?
(By the way you need to update your TOS there isn't much explicitly about corpse jumping in it.)

Looking at it objectively I think it safe to say Ade despised/disliked Bretin
First and foremost. If I was following standard banning here, you would have been gone for 7 days. I gave you 3. I think it is you that needs to remove that stick from your self entitled behind and do away with your elitism and superior viewpoint on this server. You mention fun here and how its gone for a lot of people included here. How is it fun for others when you constantly belittle them? make them feel worthless? bully them? harass them? Its not, I would rather the hundreds people that fall victim to your nature have fun than the 1 that causes it.
We also know FMC and Enigma have a long documented history of disliking each other and corpse jumping members of FMC.
Continued to do this on stream with a player Grobbok and also proceeded to corpse jump him and make fun at his expense.
Ban 1
Offence : Not taking client crash warning seriously and then breaking a promise made to yaliskah that he would not longer include audio on his stream due to him talking down and being disrespectful to other players. Continued to do this on stream with a player Grobbok and also proceeded to corpse jump him and make fun at his expense.
GMs decided to start moderating content outside of the RoR server/forum. An initial ban vas handed out on this new policy that in my eyes seems like it was created for the purpose of targeting Bretins stream.

I bet Bretin was pissed off no doubt about it.Personally I also think GMs moderating streams is a new low water mark by all standards.

Ban 2
Reason: Annoyance/harassment based on retribution against a GM
Enigma killed FMC a couple of times in the lake a guild we know they dislike. However, there is actually surprisingly little that video that supports that this was a retribution vs Ade.

- The first encounter was FMC going for Enigma.
- They avoided direct confrontation with the GM (Ade)
- It is quite normal for a PM to go for other PMs or high profile players especially the ones that are on your groups dislike list.
- They corpse jump dead FMC-players (not Ade) a guild we already know they have a documented history of corpse jumping and disliking.

So is this a retribution vs Ade? I guess for me at least I would have required Enigma doing stuff that they don’t normally do. They killed FMC when they came across them in the lake which can be expected. They corpse jumped FMC a thing we know they normally do. Maybe a bit more then usual sure but I don't know really.
It doesn't look great for the GM team, like we're picking on specific people because we don't like them.
No it doesn’t but when GMs make new rules for players that we know certain GMs don't like and let them ban the same players it looks bad.

Even more so if you follow up with more bans from the same GM for actions they have a recorded history of doing and that most would consider normal in a PvP game. Especially if it also requires further changes to the TOS or using of the don't be a d*** rule.
You sent pm's and now you feel the need to drag this up after you have seen that it has been closed and agreed upon, OK. You were not a part of the appeal, you have no relevant information for the appeal and you throw accusations at me for being biased despite what has already been revealed that it's false.

If it's not clear to you that 3 GMs decided upon this before the ban going through, and then the appeal being denied then it seems you won't understand it at all.
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Bretin wrote:while i really appreciate your post and effort bozzax i really recommend you stop arguing about it. it is for your own sake.

needless to say that enigma will quit the game once and for all. you will not see our group ever again. those who are interessted in my stream and our gameplay are more than welcome to watch and follow my stream.

one last thing i do want to add is this screenshot since the appeal topic is locked:
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this is gonna be my last post here. dont expect me to answer any pm's or such either.
Irrelevant. First ban was made clear for breaking promise to a member of staff, not taking a warning seriously and for showing disrespect.

To make this fully clear he was not banned over corpse jumping alone, context is all relevant. Read Wargrimnirs appeal post to understand this

Appeal was denied, ban extended.
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