what with rvr?

[Shadowgurke]

We had an okay-ish system at the start that was supposed to be a placeholder until the custom system was ready to be introduced. Everybody abused the **** out of the system and now there is a constant stream of complaining about the band-aid solution.

I suggest everybody takes a good look in the mirror before complaining about the Devs actions, you brought this on yourself

[GANGLAND]

Wow, so much melodrama, grumbling & self entitlement...
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Game is dead. Being a fanboy for brownie points doesn't change that. Being a GM of a dead game won't mean a hill a beans either.

RVR is ruined. Especially in NA times where the comments made in this thread by members from guilds like Kings Own are only amplified to the extreme. At least in Euro you have the potential to have 3 wb's on line to possibly take a keep. NA does not even have this chance as #'s don't muster even one full warband.

RVR is dead at NA. guilds are leaving. Euro doesn't sound alot better based on comments herein.

This isn't an entitlement post. I really don't care if you ignore my comments. You're free to do so. I'm free to make them. The difference is, my comments have fact backing them up. #'s don't lie.

Dark Days

Painful as it is, I must agree with this sentiment. Spectacular example of "can't see the forest for the trees". Things that need fixed, don't get fixed; things that may not be ideal, but work, get turned on their head.

[Bacta]

We had an okay-ish system at the start that was supposed to be a placeholder until the custom system was ready to be introduced. Everybody abused the **** out of the system and now there is a constant stream of complaining about the band-aid solution.

I suggest everybody takes a good look in the mirror before complaining about the Devs actions, you brought this on yourself

May of been a **** system but it worked for getting players online to play and RvR - Rewards for taking empty keeps should of been reduced as well as flipping empty zones. I know there was a zerging and afk problem but a contribution system could of been added to keeps as well instead of RNG. Reward defender more for defending with 200-400 AAO. No matter what system gets implemented there will always be unhappy players

[Gerv]

It does not help that people won't even enter the lakes in NA time, because they feel that their time is wasted because they don't get anything rewards asap. Yes you might spend 20 mins capping BO's until some form of opposition shows up, but most people don't want to wait this long, espically people who play in small 6 mans.

[Mael]

Wow, so much melodrama, grumbling & self entitlement...
.

Game is dead. Being a fanboy for brownie points doesn't change that. Being a GM of a dead game won't mean a hill a beans either.

RVR is ruined. Especially in NA times where the comments made in this thread by members from guilds like Kings Own are only amplified to the extreme. At least in Euro you have the potential to have 3 wb's on line to possibly take a keep. NA does not even have this chance as #'s don't muster even one full warband.

RVR is dead at NA. guilds are leaving. Euro doesn't sound alot better based on comments herein.

This isn't an entitlement post. I really don't care if you ignore my comments. You're free to do so. I'm free to make them. The difference is, my comments have fact backing them up. #'s don't lie.

Dark Days

Indeed you're free to make them. For the record I find it hysterical that you think I'm a fanboy simply because I understand that this isn't a finished product made & distributed by a commercial company. Believe me, in "finished" games, I jump up and moan with the best of them. If you saw my accounts' history on games such as ED, GW2, WoW, EvE, SC, Swtor, etc etc you would understand.

As fas as your comment being the only valid argument because you "have facts backing you up", yes you are absolutely right (which is all you obviously want to hear). Everyones argument is always completely right, that's why it's their argument, duh...

If you look at my posts, you'll also see though, that I also have facts backing me up. Nothing I stated in this thread was factually incorrect. So, you are right. I am right. Where does that leave us?

1. Game population may be dropping. That doesn't mean that everyone is "leaving", it means that less people are logging in. You take that as people never ever playing again, I take that as people taking a break until things are changed.
2. RVR is broken. No one is disputing that. The devs have also told us that. They've also on countless occasions told us that they are making a completely new system. So, you take that as the end of the world. I take that as we have to wait.
3. Guilds are leaving. I saw one major guild disband at the moment. Some of those guys merely reformed a new guild. Again, you take that as the world ending and people never coming back. I take that as people taking a break, and once things are changed they will probably return.
4. You think you are playing a game that you should just be able to play seamlessly for hours on end and enjoy yourself. I read things and see that this is Alpha, and read that they do not have all the finished code and are having to recreate the wheel. I read that I am officially termed a "tester", not a "player". Difference is, I read things, you do not.

All the moaning in the world that you and your mates make on the forums don;t change the thing that you like to quote, FACTS. The facts of the matter are that no matter how many posts we all make it isn't going to speed up the work on new coding that the devs are doing. It's not as though this system is their finished baby, and they're ignoring us all and letting things die a slow death. THAT would be a problem.
No, they have already addressed that issue and prematurely told us some of the details of their plan for a new RvR system. They're working on that system. Obviously they can't release it until it is testable. So I really don't understand what about all of that is so damn difficult to understand for you guys? Use your brains!

[Bacta]

Wow, so much melodrama, grumbling & self entitlement...
.

Game is dead. Being a fanboy for brownie points doesn't change that. Being a GM of a dead game won't mean a hill a beans either.

RVR is ruined. Especially in NA times where the comments made in this thread by members from guilds like Kings Own are only amplified to the extreme. At least in Euro you have the potential to have 3 wb's on line to possibly take a keep. NA does not even have this chance as #'s don't muster even one full warband.

RVR is dead at NA. guilds are leaving. Euro doesn't sound alot better based on comments herein.

This isn't an entitlement post. I really don't care if you ignore my comments. You're free to do so. I'm free to make them. The difference is, my comments have fact backing them up. #'s don't lie.

Dark Days

Indeed you're free to make them. For the record I find it hysterical that you think I'm a fanboy simply because I understand that this isn't a finished product made & distributed by a commercial company. Believe me, in "finished" games, I jump up and moan with the best of them. If you saw my accounts' history on games such as ED, GW2, WoW, EvE, SC, Swtor, etc etc you would understand.

As fas as your comment being the only valid argument because you "have facts backing you up", yes you are absolutely right (which is all you obviously want to hear). Everyones argument is always completely right, that's why it's their argument, duh...

If you look at my posts, you'll also see though, that I also have facts backing me up. Nothing I stated in this thread was factually incorrect. So, you are right. I am right. Where does that leave us?

1. Game population may be dropping. That doesn't mean that everyone is "leaving", it means that less people are logging in. You take that as people never ever playing again, I take that as people taking a break until things are changed.
2. RVR is broken. No one is disputing that. The devs have also told us that. They've also on countless occasions told us that they are making a completely new system. So, you take that as the end of the world. I take that as we have to wait.
3. Guilds are leaving. I saw one major guild disband at the moment. Some of those guys merely reformed a new guild. Again, you take that as the world ending and people never coming back. I take that as people taking a break, and once things are changed they will probably return.
4. You think you are playing a game that you should just be able to play seamlessly for hours on end and enjoy yourself. I read things and see that this is Alpha, and read that they do not have all the finished code and are having to recreate the wheel. I read that I am officially termed a "tester", not a "player". Difference is, I read things, you do not.

All the moaning in the world that you and your mates make on the forums don;t change the thing that you like to quote, FACTS. The facts of the matter are that no matter how many posts we all make it isn't going to speed up the work on new coding that the devs are doing. It's not as though this system is their finished baby, and they're ignoring us all and letting things die a slow death. THAT would be a problem.
No, they have already addressed that issue and prematurely told us some of the details of their plan for a new RvR system. They're working on that system. Obviously they can't release it until it is testable. So I really don't understand what about all of that is so damn difficult to understand for you guys? Use your brains!

Fact of the matter is no one cares about your comments about other games. Why? Because they have nothing to do with this game at all. How many times do you have to re-iterate that this is an Alpha? Like we haven't heard that one before. We all know RvR is in a bad place, Unfortunately this game revolves around RvR and the system is quite High Priority and is broken. I just think a lot of people (including myself) are sick of going into the lakes with only a few players to fight each night. Does this stop us from playing the game no..I think we would all like to do something other then SC's on a nightly basis. Will the complaining stop from everyone? No.

Lets stop here before things get more heated then they should.

[saupreusse]

The main Problem is that the players have been treated like customers that just want a finished product. Many ppl joined the server while orvr was working good in tier 3. a lot of them are not aware that we are in Alpha and need to test things. You are right that the rvr bandaid did not work as good as the old System, hell you can even say it was broken. But I believe that today's Patch was a step in the right direction. And as Siege weapons get fixed and balanced, we will see much more ppl in the Lakes.

[Luicetarro]

One problem as well is, that keep-defs are more rewarding as keep-atks. You'll get the same loot out of the bag, have an easier time and will respawn in the keep, if the outer door still is intact.
Both factions in t4 try to get the other faction to attack a keep, since they will have an by far easier time while in the keep.

So as quick-fix I might throw something in here, that may be considered.
Split the token gained from goldbags (if possible). One half can be obtained via a def, the other half (to complete the set and the bonus) via taking a keep.
While I have no idea if this actually would have an impact, I might think that some ppl want to grab that bag for the token and lead their faction. All you need is one leader to encourage others.

But honestly, I can't tell, if this actually would make a difference, or just add up as Level of harrasment in the gear-grind.

[Bacta]

The main Problem is that the players have been treated like customers that just want a finished product. Many ppl joined the server while orvr was working good in tier 3. a lot of them are not aware that we are in Alpha and need to test things. You are right that the rvr bandaid did not work as good as the old System, hell you can even say it was broken. But I believe that today's Patch was a step in the right direction. And as Siege weapons get fixed and balanced, we will see much more ppl in the Lakes.

Maybe the siege weapons need to be looked at again. Siege weapons hitting for 600 per hit is kinda of high. Is there any armor mitigation that goes into that? Good example earlier is Destro had the numbers in TM to take a keep while order had 40% AAO. Of course destro wiped. They literally couldn't out heal the consistent damage from siege weapons not to mention i think the door wasn't attackable. I do like the changes though and i do feel they are a step in the right direction.

Currently i just feel defenders have it so much easier then the attackers. Most players just want to sit at a keep let the other side get the bo's and wipe them for a free defense tick.

[Maldach]

Removing exp, renown and influence from BO captures was a bad idea. The reality is there are times when BO flipping IS your RvR. NA hours are too thin to put together cohesive teams for T4 RvR requirements. It was too thin to put together cohesive teams for T3...

Enable rewards for BO's again. One warband in T4 isn't getting anything else done.