Black Orc Dilemma

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2. an on demand snare

BO probably has the best on demand snare on Destro. It's on demand and spammable (0s CD). Extra points for being uncleansable by WP

by on-demand, I mean it doesn't have a requirement to use. Both BO snares require stage 2 of the plan.

For that reason, I'm saying it is not on-demand. If you are stage 3, you must use changing plan to do your snare. If changing plan is on cd and you're in stage 3, you will have to do a stage 1 ability before applying. Is this game-breaking? Not necessarily, but it also isn't on demand.

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what incredible fails to point out through is that some of those tools are not suuuper necessary to have

you can have multiple other sorces of KDs in a party that its not necessary to have one on your second tank

Chosen has a 10s CD superpunt so its not absolutlty necessary to have one on BO

and chosen can also spec kd and you can have one on your mdps like WE and choppa the latter of whom BO shares great synergy with

furthermore you can prime snares and knock down with change da plan

I didn't fail to point out anything. You have made my last point that much clearer. BO is a 2nd tank. Chosen is required. Whether you want BO or BG is personal preference. Please read a post before making a statement like the above. You only re-iterated what I already said, while telling me I failed to say it.

[Gobtar]

I guess his point is that a 1 GCD cooldown, or requiring a GCD bypassing primer is more "on-demand" then snare with a 5 sec cooldown. Semantics I guess.

[Gobtar]

@CrazedHobo: While there is some contention on how or why, we all agree that BO is a solid tank for a variety of different reasons, supporting several playstyles. The only downfall of the BO is that it doesn't have a Resistance aura. This delegates it to second tank, but a very solid second tank.

[Shadowgurke]

by on-demand, I mean it doesn't have a requirement to use. Both BO snares require stage 2 of the plan.

For that reason, I'm saying it is not on-demand. If you are stage 3, you must use changing plan to do your snare. If changing plan is on cd and you're in stage 3, you will have to do a stage 1 ability before applying. Is this game-breaking? Not necessarily, but it also isn't on demand.

I know what you are saying. But your premise is wrong. Do you want on demand snare? Don't use CDP until you want to snare. It's basically like other 5s CD snares with the upside of not actually having a 5s CD if you just spam your rotation

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by on-demand, I mean it doesn't have a requirement to use. Both BO snares require stage 2 of the plan.

For that reason, I'm saying it is not on-demand. If you are stage 3, you must use changing plan to do your snare. If changing plan is on cd and you're in stage 3, you will have to do a stage 1 ability before applying. Is this game-breaking? Not necessarily, but it also isn't on demand.

I know what you are saying. But your premise is wrong. Do you want on demand snare? Don't use CDP until you want to snare. It's basically like other 5s CD snares with the upside of not actually having a 5s CD if you just spam your rotation

I disagree - A chosen worries not about what ability is used when. He wants to on-demand snare a target, he does it. He can then on-demand, KD that target.

A BO, by nature of the mechanic, may not have these options available at a critical moment in time. Can you make a BO ability on demand? yes. Can you make any and all of them on-demand in succession at any point in a fight... at some point you can not. A chosen worries not about such things.

[Penril]

by on-demand, I mean it doesn't have a requirement to use. Both BO snares require stage 2 of the plan.

For that reason, I'm saying it is not on-demand. If you are stage 3, you must use changing plan to do your snare. If changing plan is on cd and you're in stage 3, you will have to do a stage 1 ability before applying. Is this game-breaking? Not necessarily, but it also isn't on demand.

I know what you are saying. But your premise is wrong. Do you want on demand snare? Don't use CDP until you want to snare. It's basically like other 5s CD snares with the upside of not actually having a 5s CD if you just spam your rotation

I disagree - A chosen worries not about what ability is used when. He wants to on-demand snare a target, he does it. He can then on-demand, KD that target.

A BO, by nature of the mechanic, may not have these options available at a critical moment in time. Can you make a BO ability on demand? yes. Can you make any and all of them on-demand in succession at any point in a fight... at some point you can not. A chosen worries not about such things.

Can a Chosen AoE snare?







Yeah...

[Shadowgurke]

I disagree - A chosen worries not about what ability is used when. He wants to on-demand snare a target, he does it. He can then on-demand, KD that target.

A BO, by nature of the mechanic, may not have these options available at a critical moment in time. Can you make a BO ability on demand? yes. Can you make any and all of them on-demand in succession at any point in a fight... at some point you can not. A chosen worries not about such things.

Do you think an on demand snare is crucial? Yes? Never ever use Changin da plan. Never. Unless you want to snare a target. Voila, 5s CD 10s Snare. On demand without worrying about anything. You don't have a KD, I conceded that point completely.

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Can a Chosen AoE snare?
Yeah...

Uhh... ok? do you even read bro?

Thanks for pointing out my #1 "pro" point about the BO. Maybe you want to tell me they also have a cool-down increaser too?

[TenTonHammer]

You don't have a KD, I conceded that point completely.

chase/make a beeline for a target

change da plan > gauge the distance and use either big slash or swing to prep into Da best plan > DYG

its not "on demand" but you can set it up to be so