How does people who do SC's get medallions again?

[Boursk]

Different activities give different rewards. There's not going to be much compromise on this point. We will be implementing keep loot chests as soon as we can, and we have people trying to get that to work right now. But before they arrive, we will not be shortcutting your path to get certain gear.

To reuse an example I bring out often, If Redeye were available from Gunbad, would you demand that we let you purchase Redeye with medallions, just because you hate doing dungeons? Would you insist on being able to get Mayhem with Scenario emblems, because you hate doing PQs? In either case, I would laugh you off the forums. If you don't like doing scenarios, you don't get scenario gear. If you don't like RvR, you don't get RvR gear.

As a NA player, I understand this makes things slightly more difficult for us, but that's just tough. Wait for keep bags, play on the weekends, and organize more fights. We cannot, and will not, compromise game design because of a low player count.

That being said, the NA population has been slowly growing in the recent months, and we've been talking about incentives/a celebration event to try to thank the growing NA population for playing, and to encourage more people to play during those hours. Maybe we'll look at fast-tracking something like that.

Good to hear keep bags are on their way Geni, I have no doubt in my mind that it will improve the situation in the RvR lakes.

Forgive me for repeatedly bringing up the question on the new player base, I really care alot about this private server and I want it to succeed and keep expanding majorly which is why I always cater to the new players (even if I get bashed for it by some)

[TenTonHammer]

AA haste hu?

Im curious to know... Does AA haste from sets stack with AA haste tactics and abilites? or will it be like alternatives like mara wl set peice bonuses were the aa bonuse will let you take diffrent tactics besides aa

[Genisaurus]

AA haste hu?

Im curious to know... Does AA haste from sets stack with AA haste tactics and abilites? or will it be like alternatives like mara wl set peice bonuses were the aa bonuse will let you take diffrent tactics besides aa

The way they are applied, they would stack just like any other stat from gear.

[lilsabin]

Yeah exactly, playing another game or doing something else will be your only choice to gear out if your play time coincides with a time period that there isn't a regular WvW population.

Of course that is a bit self defeating when it comes to trying to grow the population during that time period if the resolution is to go play another game or logout and do something else.... but what do i know.

Instead of whining about it, you could try to organize some fights between the factions. Make some friends, get everyone together in one area. Go spread the word about the game around those in NA time-zones.

150 quests still exist. Slow going, but don't tell me you have no options.

i laughed so hard when i saw "you could try to ORGANIZE" .

[bloodi]

While we are on the subject of scs and its emblems, i am really curious on how you decide the amount of emblems needed for the duelist sets on t1 and t2.

You need 146 emblems to get the weapons and duelist armor, sounds great uh? What if i tell your its for t1 and a level 8 set.

Somehow, you have to win 24 scs to get them, you know what level you are after winning 24 scs? Not level 8 i can tell you that much. Mind that is just win after win, no lost scs, no mob killed, no kill quests delivered.

For t2, for the level 18 set, it goes up to 300 emblems for weapons and gear.

There is such a disconnection between the prices asked and the amount of emblems people will have at that point that i cannot imagine any thought besides "it cannot be free or easy!" was put when the values were introduced.

[CptnMiller]

While we are on the subject of scs and its emblems, i am really curious on how you decide the amount of emblems needed for the duelist sets on t1 and t2.

You need 146 emblems to get the weapons and duelist armor, sounds great uh? What if i tell your its for t1 and a level 8 set.

Somehow, you have to win 24 scs to get them, you know what level you are after winning 24 scs? Not level 8 i can tell you that much. Mind that is just win after win, no lost scs, no mob killed, no kill quests delivered.

For t2, for the level 18 set, it goes up to 300 emblems for weapons and gear.

There is such a disconnection between the prices asked and the amount of emblems people will have at that point that i cannot imagine any thought besides "it cannot be free or easy!" was put when the values were introduced.

Yep, leveled out of t1 and 2 before completing sets - by the time i had the next tier emblems / converted / bought - completed the sets they were pretty much obsolete due to the new tiers greens exceeding them.

[Genisaurus]

While we are on the subject of scs and its emblems, i am really curious on how you decide the amount of emblems needed for the duelist sets on t1 and t2.

You need 146 emblems to get the weapons and duelist armor, sounds great uh? What if i tell your its for t1 and a level 8 set.

Somehow, you have to win 24 scs to get them, you know what level you are after winning 24 scs? Not level 8 i can tell you that much. Mind that is just win after win, no lost scs, no mob killed, no kill quests delivered.

For t2, for the level 18 set, it goes up to 300 emblems for weapons and gear.

There is such a disconnection between the prices asked and the amount of emblems people will have at that point that i cannot imagine any thought besides "it cannot be free or easy!" was put when the values were introduced.

Works like this:

1. When the new sets were introduced, their price was baselined so that the full gear set would cost the same number of emblems as a 2H weapon in that tier. Originally, the idea was to introduce the sets as an alternative playstyle, and the opportunity cost of the new sets would be getting to buy the scenario weapon as soon as it was usable.
2. After a few weeks, it became clear that most players would only ever have enough money to buy the weapons or the sets, if they did nothing but scenarios until they hit the tier level cap.
   1. I did some of the testing here myself - I'm a pretty **** player, and by doing roughly 90% scenarios and 10% RvR, I was just barely able to get enough emblems to buy my Tier 2 weapon by level 20. Tier 1 tends to be even messier because you level so quickly. Better players than I might have an easier time.
3. Internally, the question was asked whether we should lower the costs of the weapons, the sets, or both. The decision was narrowly made in favor of lowering the cost of scenario weapons. Personally, I would have preferred to see the costs of both drop by roughly half, but some disagreed.
4. The costs of all scenario weapons in T1/T2 were cut down to 1/3 of the original cost. T3 weapons will see the same treatment when T4 releases.

So in short, we were aware it was a problem a while ago, and we took steps to address it then. If those steps didn't go far enough, that's a fair criticism, and I would be happy to revisit the issue; but I resent the accusation that the costs were set without thought.

[CptnMiller]

Good stuff, thanks for the explanation, I vote Genisaurus for ror president so he can veto things and reduce costs by half !!!

We crappy players need your support !

[bloodi]

So in short, we were aware it was a problem a while ago, and we took steps to address it then. If those steps didn't go far enough, that's a fair criticism, and I would be happy to revisit the issue; but I resent the accusation that the costs were set without thought.

I say they were put without though because we already had this very same conversation about the weapon costs, i raised the very same point, it was not feasible to get sc weapons without being purely dedicated to doing scs and even then it was a hassle.

If we take the later changes of lowering the amount needed and raising the amount earned as lessons learned, then we can also take the new duelist set prices as lessons ignored.

Its the very same exact problem, only even worse, its not only not feasible to get the new sets, if you do, you will probably already outlevel them and are better gearing yourself with renown greens for your level.

So you may resent the accusation but i think its pretty merited, the prices of the duelist sets are just hhigh for the sake of "lets not give them for free" without any actual thought on how many emblems a person would have at the rank those sets are any good.

[TenTonHammer]

no point in sc weapons with 35 weapons and epic weapons, to get 1/2% crit and 2 dps is not worth griding those scs can just go from outlaw to martial/epic quest weapons