Eye shot

[Stinkyweed]

Don't take it out, just mirror it.

[mursie]

Don't take it out, just mirror it.

Wait, are we still talking about eyeshot... or is that code?

[Thorondir]

Don't take it out, just mirror it.

But then you would have two ranged KDs on the SH.

[Penril]

Don't take it out, just mirror it.

But then you would have two ranged KDs on the SH.

Mirror it to Black Orcs then.

[Thorondir]

In all seriousness, this really isn't that different then how the WL/Mara pull is mirrored. Mara has an ability pull, WL as a pet class has the pull on the pet.

SW has an ability ranged KD. SH has its KD on the pet. If anything, SH has a ranged 4 second disarm and SW only has melee. Lets not even talk fishing with the horned squig's punts.

I know it is not the same, neither is the WL/Mara pull, but don't act like the SH doesn't have cc.

Run Away! should work on the pet speed though like the WL charge does.

[Morf]

I just want to point out my initial intentions when i proposed this change, it isnt because i want my shaman to be free of cc due to run away, the issue for me is classes that dont have run away and gain no more of a speed increase then there enemies.
Everyone knows or should do how rkd can be used to get an easy kill where without a rkd the target would atleast have a chance to try and survive.

Comparing what Thorondir said i guess you could say it is balanced(on paper), sw- rkd/melle disarm, sh ranged disarm/melle kd and putting into the mix the kd from basic squig you could even lean towards sh's having the edge though its alot more situational and alot more difficult to pull off( squig cooldowns/pet dying/resummoning/pet pathing etc etc).

Also wl/mara pulls always come up in CC discussions between realms and 90% of the time pull is used the same way rkd works most the time, to guarantee a kill(god i hated pull to zerg tactic), i really hope mara pull is just removed, they dont need it.

[Penril]

As TK mentioned in a different thread, ranged KDs are fine... kinda. The problem is that 2 classes have them.

Remove it/change on BW. Leave it on SW.

/thread

[Bretin]

soz to bring this offtopic again, will be the last time (i promise).

also sorry for not having the exact scenario on record since the replay did not get saved on twitch. but we took 1 minute of our time to make this video for morfee to proof, how the deads were caused in that sc and that he is the one lying :

http://www.twitch.tv/stenchypow/v/37622575

enjoy and have a nice day

[Morf]

Bretin i dont care m8, the point is that you do (to much). Lets stop derailing threads, enjoy the game and play for fun !

[Bretin]

Bretin i dont care m8, the point is that you do (to much). Lets stop derailing threads, enjoy the game and play for fun !

i care as much as you do when it comes to trashtalk about your person/your guild. it was you posting a screenshot and a false information - i never denied we crashed the sc for being stuck with 5/6 member, just the described circumstances were false - i have no problem with leaving this **** and stop trolling or derailing you and your threads/posts as long as you can keep your sideflames for yourself and the false accusations.