Restore Old School RvR rules

[Genisaurus]

you guys should consider inventing a buff

that only triggers after 30 mins - 1hr of play that increases rr/exp/medalion/item drop ratres or something of that nature that is a real incentive

that is removed if you switch realms it would encourge players to stick with their faction

Not a shot for or against this idea, but it's easy to see the inevitable counterarguments, and you should be prepared to defend it against them:

"I'm a casual player who can only get on for a short time each day. I don't switch sides, but I just can't play either side for long in one sitting. This unfairly benefits no-lifers who can play for hours at a time while I take care of my kids and make dinner and mow the lawn."

There is a right and a wrong response to this. Give the wrong response or fail to account for a counterargument, and you'll never see it implemented.

[Soulcheg]

Let this buff be cumulative.

[OldPlayer]

2 words:
IP restriction
No? 3 words then
Start From Scratch

Pro players will easily avoid IP restriction and will teach their guildmates how to do the same.

At the same time you have alienated part of players population who share their IPs with people playing the different faction.

My apologizes, but there is no escape, only pain.

[TenTonHammer]

Not a shot for or against this idea, but it's easy to see the inevitable counterarguments, and you should be prepared to defend it against them:

"I'm a casual player who can only get on for a short time each day. I don't switch sides, but I just can't play either side for long in one sitting. This unfairly benefits no-lifers who can play for hours at a time while I take care of my kids and make dinner and mow the lawn."

There is a right and a wrong response to this. Give the wrong response or fail to account for a counterargument, and you'll never see it implemented.

i want to preface this by saying that i am not so eloquent when it comes to discussing things of such nature

your right, but at the same time if the buff kicks in too early then the whole purpose of this "incentive" is lost as it is ment for you to stick by the logged on faction

one thing that could be considered is have the buff when you log on but have the scaling done in such a way that sticking to your realm really matters

such as:

x mins : inc exp rate

y mins : inc rr rate

z mins : inc drop and/or medallion chance rate


And potentially make one or all scaling


that last point could also potential help deal with the potentially barren NA playtime issue as it would encourage people to stay on longer and choose to play RoR over other things/games they have access too

therefore even if you have players only in for a short period of time they might not get increased rop rates but they could still get faster exp and also perhaps faster rr


then you could modify the mechanism so that if they do switch sides this buff would be lost for a set period of time or you could have it refresh that decision is up to the devs

This concept of creating mechanisms to encourage players to continuously play or choose to play a game over others; is nothing new

Back when we were in t2 with 26/40 a lot a players lost interest in the game or got burned out and left till t3 came, if something like this were implemented it could encourage players to stick around create alts since they know they can level them faster and gear them faster/eaiser due to this buff style mechanism


I dont know if my response is the correct one as trying to make arguments like this is not my forte

[navis]

I'll add some more thoughts to this idea of a realm buff.
Don't worry about people who complain they can't stay online for too long.. This is WAR!!
Half a hour is not a long time, but 15 minutes is probably better.
Maybe it could be together with Objectives for your realm, not be in scenarios (rvr lakes only).
It would need to have safegaurds to avoid players logging on then simply waiting AFK to get to the highest percentage gain - basically gaming it. But i digress...

[mirrorblade]

What do you think?

Change the aao buff somehow!
If aao buff give x%wounds+10resist+10 armor
Maybe if our devs can do it

[lilsabin]

I don't know about anyone else, but i really hate these hippie RvR rules. The thing i loved most about WAR was organized RvR. Ive played a dozen or so games since WAR's demise, and none have been able to compare to organizing and leading my first city siege and king kill.

Back then it was hard as hell to lock a zone, harder to take a fort, and even harder to lock the city for a king attempt. And if you were the underdog as we were, then it was damn near impossible. But that challenge was what made WAR a diamond in a sea full of dirty mmos.

Ive been told that RvR rules are the way they are because the tools havent been written yet to change them. And if thats the case, it is what it is.

But these rules I'm going to list deter any kind of organized and tactical warfare to win on the lakes. Ive also added my thoughts on each.

1. Respawning after a death spawns you in the keep. This makes defending the postern doors of a keep completely worthless. Back in the glory days if you wanted to defend a keep, you had to pray you got close enough to the walls to get rezzed in. And if the attacker was smart, they set up choke points far away from rez range to ensure victory.

2. Needing three objectives to attack a keep door. I really don't understand what this has to do with attacking a keep door. And its really stupid if you have the inner keep door at 5% and three 6 man groups take three objectives simultaneously halfway across the zone that takes 2 mins minimum to get to from the keep.

3. Keep doors resetting to 100%. Back in the day the only way to get a keeps door health up was for the tank to heal it 5% each. There were hundreds of times we would prep doors to 10-5%, then peel off to take an objective to pull the defenders out of the keep, wipe the defenders, then go beat down the door and set up postern defense teams preventing people from entering the keep thus ensuring a successful siege. Keep doors shouldnt magically gain health, they should only be repaired by the tank ability which ive long forgot the name of. There were also a few times when the attackers would be on the inner door, we would repair the outer door from 0 to 5% thus trapping them in, then pour inside the postern and wipe them. Real fun times there.

4. Zones locking by taking two keeps. When this game first came out, no one knew how to lock zones. It just seemed to magically happen. Then we figured out there was a point pool and you had to have a certain amount of points to lock the zone. Each objective gave your realm points, each keep gave your realm points, completing quests gave points, killing players gave points, controlling the lower tiers gave points, and winning or being queued for the scenarios that accompanied that specific zone gave points, all of which decayed over time except keep and objectives. This required a bunch of moving parts to lock a zone, and each had to be on point and prevented the mindless zerg from locking zone after zone.

5. Objectives not giving buffs. When you controlled objectives, your realm would get minor buffs. Either 5% increased magic damage, melee damage, ranged damage and wounds. While they werent game breaking, they did provide a benefit. And my memory may be a little rusty, but i think controlling all 4 gave you a small renown bonus as well.

6. Renown, influence and experience bonuses from the objectives and keeps you participated in on zone lock. When you would lock a zone, you would get a bonus for each objective and keep you helped take. This gave some very large ticks, so large in fact that it was better to RvR for renown than do scenarios. I remember asking my warband once why they kept following me around and they all said because i gave the best renown.


These are just some of the things i can remember off the top of my head. I could go into detail what it took to lock the original city to stage 2 so you could attack the king or warlord before they changed it to the hippie 3 stage scenarios. There is also what it took to successfully take a fort before mythic took that out as well.

I'm not sure what the devs have in mind for forts and city, but i can tell you when mythic took out forts and put in the hippie city scenarios, i quit very shortly after.

I guess the point of this whole post is wanting some actual challenge restored to the game where strategy and tactics was what brought about success, and not which side had the largest zerg.

Old school rules made it hard to succeed and even harder to get the gear for runes that allowed you to progress. t4 keep lords would cleave your raid to death and one shot your tank if they didnt have t3 gear. Fort lords would one shot your tank and cleave your raid in one shot if you didnt have t4 gear. Stage 1 boss of the city would cleave your raid in one shot if you didnt have fort gear or lost vale gear. And the length of time it took to get that gear for runes to progress was perfectly acceptable.

But ive rambled enough. Change the rules to the old school way and it will require a much more mature way to win. Or you can do what mythic did and cater to the zerg which imo destroyed the game.

Aint no body got time for that

[Scrilian]

Aint no body got time for that

Might not be the game for you then