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lumpi33
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Lots of Numbers: LOTD 2022-7-29

Post#1 » Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:31 am

Hi everybody,

Im coming with some new data. After the LOTD round yesterday I was curious to see how both sides did and what the numbers were.

Here we go:

Total kills: 2323
Order kills: 1129
Destro kills: 1194

Order death blows by character:
Fuzz - SLAYER 40/rr81: 104
Mudface - SLAYER 40/rr84: 67
Aillune - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr88: 59
Ponko - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr82: 49
Saxarok - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr89: 46
Mokosh - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr81: 35
Eftwyrd - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr87: 33
Anklebites - SLAYER 40/rr81: 32
Yetanotherengi - ENGINEER 40/rr80: 30
Phature - SLAYER 40/rr85: 29
Thodrim - SLAYER 40/rr61: 29
Tinkerrella - ENGINEER 40/rr73: 29
Ibal - SLAYER 40/rr81: 28
Complexity - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr82: 27
Driftwood - WHITE_LION 40/rr58: 27
Hackarn - WHITE_LION 40/rr72: 26
Jiliane - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr72: 25
Svgslayer - SLAYER 40/rr74: 23
Xkillerx - WHITE_LION 40/rr84: 22
Dandelion - WHITE_LION 40/rr72: 22
Vulcanchik - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr82: 21
Siirus - WHITE_LION 40/rr75: 20
Rollgrom - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr83: 18
Merciclaws - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr79: 17
Youaxedforit - SLAYER 40/rr85: 16
Thena - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr83: 15
Gavskjald - SLAYER 40/rr71: 15
Arthaen - ARCHMAGE 40/rr68: 14
Tykmyk - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr82: 13
Bombur - ENGINEER 40/rr83: 11
Droknars - SLAYER 40/rr77: 10
Panzie - SLAYER 40/rr73: 10
Tsunderhunter - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr62: 10
Fabiona - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr80: 9
Pyrophilia - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr76: 9
Danspy - SLAYER 40/rr80: 9
Zuuri - WHITE_LION 40/rr73: 9
Mordraeon - WHITE_LION 40/rr62: 9
Easymode - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr47: 9
Gunrin - ENGINEER 40/rr61: 9
Atomikk - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr76: 8
Knick - WHITE_LION 40/rr86: 8
Kygimio - SLAYER 40/rr81: 7
Topo - WHITE_LION 40/rr64: 7
Megadeusx - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr81: 7
Macsnipe - ENGINEER 40/rr78: 6
Bettargh - SLAYER 40/rr67: 6
Secondtarget - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr81: 6
Vasta - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr75: 5
Xxarkenstonexx - ARCHMAGE 40/rr81: 4
Puffsi - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr53: 4
Arah - WHITE_LION 40/rr85: 4
Blaster - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr75: 3
Kanzen - KNIGHT 40/rr86: 3
Kalrathas - KNIGHT 40/rr86: 3
Ognevka - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr64: 3
Thuldrum - ENGINEER 40/rr50: 3
Xanacs - RUNE_PRIEST 40/rr82: 3
Russl - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr72: 2
Salik - SLAYER 40/rr69: 2
Scerayne - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr57: 2
Xtx - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr75: 2
Croucamp - SWORDMASTER 40/rr84: 2
Apxam - KNIGHT 40/rr83: 2
Savon - SWORDMASTER 40/rr57: 2
Astarsis - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr70: 2
Gruikime - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr69: 2
Xevera - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr58: 2
Holyfire - ARCHMAGE 40/rr83: 2
Yoin - SLAYER 40/rr84: 2
Giesela - ENGINEER 40/rr83: 2
Enoahz - SWORDMASTER 40/rr53: 1
Magmabreaker - IRONBREAKER 40/rr67: 1
Yelena - KNIGHT 40/rr79: 1
Acas - KNIGHT 40/rr78: 1
Gex - SLAYER 40/rr58: 1
Kickeria - KNIGHT 40/rr75: 1
Lapiaa - SWORDMASTER 40/rr69: 1
Cogworth - ENGINEER 40/rr88: 1
Jagoda - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr59: 1
Dwarrock - ENGINEER 40/rr82: 1
Ruxbin - IRONBREAKER 40/rr85: 1
Aika - SWORDMASTER 40/rr73: 1
Prostyle - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr40: 1
Laxatan - ARCHMAGE 40/rr82: 1
Reload - ENGINEER 40/rr83: 1
Win - KNIGHT 40/rr60: 1
Ezeye - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr83: 1
Thorbrand - WARRIOR_PRIEST 40/rr55: 1

Destro death blows by character:
Elonoora - SORCERER 40/rr81: 72
Sharipjon - SORCERER 40/rr77: 54
Coldlara - SORCERER 40/rr83: 35
Vetalik - CHOPPA 40/rr80: 34
Haojun - SORCERER 40/rr85: 32
Grufrip - CHOPPA 40/rr98: 31
Mrclaws - MARAUDER 40/rr79: 31
Bihlee - MARAUDER 40/rr85: 30
Wambow - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr81: 27
Dwak - CHOPPA 40/rr82: 27
Brutality - CHOPPA 40/rr83: 25
Let - CHOPPA 40/rr72: 25
Fleischwolf - CHOPPA 40/rr63: 24
Chrysopelea - SORCERER 40/rr81: 24
Koprowski - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr61: 23
Morghogg - CHOPPA 40/rr84: 23
Naturradler - WITCH_ELF 40/rr73: 20
Khaled - CHOPPA 40/rr84: 20
Zorbaxxx - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr88: 20
Selfstyle - WITCH_ELF 40/rr78: 19
Muco - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr84: 19
Htl - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr73: 18
Snizzy - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr84: 18
Kerah - SORCERER 40/rr82: 18
Zhazou - SORCERER 40/rr83: 17
Annoyingthing - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr80: 16
Laseines - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr83: 16
Flatleboucher - CHOPPA 40/rr81: 16
Consumer - MARAUDER 40/rr88: 15
Farseed - MARAUDER 40/rr80: 15
Muaythai - WITCH_ELF 40/rr75: 15
Cube - MAGUS 40/rr82: 14
Turkiii - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr82: 13
Grimskulz - CHOPPA 40/rr86: 13
Anjanolian - WITCH_ELF 40/rr94: 13
Frostie - SORCERER 40/rr81: 12
Snizo - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr73: 12
Soniq - SHAMAN 40/rr53: 11
Wreckgitball - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr66: 11
Djark - SORCERER 40/rr93: 11
Jadecobra - WITCH_ELF 40/rr81: 11
Greyj - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr85: 10
Agonize - WITCH_ELF 40/rr81: 10
Ceriesi - WITCH_ELF 40/rr80: 10
Zoleez - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr68: 9
Stumpnklatscha - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr79: 9
Gorrrg - CHOPPA 40/rr71: 9
Sethtenebrae - MAGUS 40/rr81: 8
Dunkellicht - SORCERER 40/rr83: 8
Leedor - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr52: 8
Rejetta - WITCH_ELF 40/rr82: 8
Lisica - WITCH_ELF 40/rr83: 7
Ivyy - MAGUS 40/rr67: 7
Warmelade - SORCERER 40/rr77: 7
Guz - CHOPPA 40/rr61: 7
Fluf - BLACK_ORC 40/rr92: 7
Razslap - CHOPPA 40/rr72: 7
Davyjones - MARAUDER 40/rr83: 7
Skala - CHOPPA 40/rr58: 6
Aiklight - MARAUDER 40/rr69: 6
Arfaern - SORCERER 40/rr80: 6
Gitzlappa - CHOPPA 40/rr80: 6
Cheezarr - CHOPPA 40/rr58: 5
Frostalfork - CHOPPA 40/rr45: 5
Rumbling - BLACK_ORC 40/rr90: 5
Ironbolt - BLACKGUARD 40/rr82: 5
Orcshop - BLACK_ORC 40/rr64: 5
Xorphas - SORCERER 40/rr56: 4
Hiyoruna - SORCERER 40/rr44: 4
Krimskull - CHOPPA 40/rr81: 4
Thoraak - BLACK_ORC 40/rr49: 4
Hargelu - CHOSEN 40/rr68: 4
Valkarius - CHOSEN 40/rr77: 4
Argzash - CHOPPA 40/rr64: 4
Psolovrontis - CHOPPA 40/rr76: 4
Skoularikas - CHOPPA 40/rr81: 3
Haqu - WITCH_ELF 40/rr60: 3
Muralo - BLACK_ORC 40/rr50: 3
Ebivonlebsia - MARAUDER 40/rr75: 3
Gosas - MARAUDER 40/rr74: 3
Valkyrie - WITCH_ELF 40/rr79: 3
Kvileg - WITCH_ELF 40/rr81: 3
Daruda - BLACK_ORC 40/rr66: 3
Xhermhi - MARAUDER 40/rr53: 3
Sorcka - SORCERER 40/rr69: 3
Mageius - MAGUS 40/rr83: 3
Leetheaccursed - MAGUS 40/rr76: 3
Freybasha - BLACK_ORC 40/rr83: 2
Fabius - MAGUS 40/rr84: 2
Trolltoll - SHAMAN 40/rr82: 2
Azjograh - CHOPPA 40/rr67: 2
Ichopthings - DISCIPLE 40/rr85: 2
Ahab - MARAUDER 40/rr72: 2
Fenriak - CHOSEN 40/rr83: 2
Reldon - BLACKGUARD 40/rr71: 2
Wop - SHAMAN 40/rr63: 2
Arthass - CHOSEN 40/rr51: 2
Zest - CHOPPA 40/rr77: 1
Reys - SORCERER 40/rr53: 1
Burstlimit - BLACKGUARD 40/rr65: 1
Blakken - BLACK_ORC 40/rr71: 1
Iknoz - BLACK_ORC 40/rr70: 1
Annatarr - BLACKGUARD 40/rr66: 1
Gutslug - BLACK_ORC 40/rr83: 1
Madao - SHAMAN 40/rr57: 1
Razgrom - BLACK_ORC 40/rr79: 1
Barbarisater - MARAUDER 40/rr47: 1
Poopyfaze - SHAMAN 40/rr61: 1
Saxonn - BLACK_ORC 40/rr88: 1
Glugd - CHOSEN 40/rr88: 1
Netherstorm - BLACKGUARD 40/rr46: 1
Givemebuff - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr45: 1
Liriith - BLACKGUARD 40/rr82: 1
Aldamorion - CHOSEN 40/rr53: 1
Rayfinkle - MAGUS 40/rr65: 1
Dollynn - SORCERER 40/rr50: 1

Order death blows by guild:
fooled: 104
RESCUETEAM: 95
Lutzwaffen: 75
Cyxapuku: 72
B Team: 68
Bene Tleilax: 62
Familjen: 58
KUMA: 49
SMASH: 43
DURAZ TARAG: 40
Gimle: 38
Altdorf War College: 37
Beaver: 30
Nightmare: 30
Altdorf War Academy: 27
Seventh Legion: 23
krautcontrol: 22
Grass and Mushrooms: 21
Order Biased: 17
CNTK: 15
Wildly Inappropriate: 9
Red Shadows: 9
- Light Nords -: 9
Honor: 8
Kraehenfeld: 8
Bastards: 7
The Jempire: 7
Over Extended: 7
Clan Barakdum: 6
Phenix: 6
HELLenes: 6
Tercio de Estalia: 4
Dust by Dawn: 3
TeamPsy: 3
Bitterstone Thunderers: 3
Ethics: 2
Forced Entry: 1
Formosa: 1
Falkenrath: 1
Foreplay: 1
Revenge og MOI: 1
WAR-Invasion: 1
NO_GUILD: 100

Destro death blows by guild:
just respawn: 184
Da Freebootaz: 149
BALTIKA: 80
TUP: 78
Nugos: 78
MP: 54
Not Very Good: 42
KAZ: 39
Phalanx: 32
Hand of Blood: 31
The Blood Moon: 28
Renaissance: 25
Parasites: 24
NGE: 23
Tiarna Sgiathach: 19
Twelve Inches Unbuffed: 18
CQFD: 16
RigorMortis: 16
Omega: 16
Chimera Ants: 15
Agony: 14
Strife: 11
Black Fang: 10
12 Monkeys: 10
Todesengel: 9
beWARe: 9
Absolution: 8
Trem da Alegria: 7
Violence: 5
Spetznobz: 3
Clan Kass Kranes: 3
Gods of War: 2
Mourne: 2
Biba i Boba: 2
The Murda Junkies: 1
NO_GUILD: 131

Then I tried to figured out what the numbers on each side were. Sadly LOTD cannot be queried like Scenarios to see which players were really in there but the Killing data is good enough to get an estimate. I queried the attackers of each of the 2323 kills in LOTD yesterday to see who was in there attacking players.

This is the break down of all attackers in there that contributed to a kill:

Order attackers by career:
KNIGHT: 25
SLAYER: 20
BRIGHT_WIZARD: 17
ARCHMAGE: 16
WARRIOR_PRIEST: 16
RUNE_PRIEST: 13
ENGINEER: 12
IRONBREAKER: 12
WHITE_LION: 11
WITCH_HUNTER: 10
SWORDMASTER: 10
SHADOW_WARRIOR: 9
Total attacking characters: 171

Destro attackers by career:
SHAMAN: 25
CHOPPA: 24
BLACK_ORC: 21
CHOSEN: 20
SORCERER: 19
SQUIG_HERDER: 16
ZEALOT: 14
MARAUDER: 14
DISCIPLE: 13
WITCH_ELF: 12
BLACKGUARD: 11
MAGUS: 8
Total attacking characters: 197

Looking at the total of all the attacking characters per side, then we had roughly 20% more players on destro side.

Someone said in chat that the numbers on each side are a percentage of the players queuing. This seems to be true. Destro had most likely a good amount more players in there.

Why didn't they made this even? Isn't it like a big scenario?

Im asking because yesterday it was very one-sided and dominated by one side. Which was destro in this case. There were probably also rounds were order had more and stomped destro into the ground. I don't really understand why the numbers in there are not even.

Cheers.

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Re: Lots of Numbers: LOTD 2022-7-29

Post#2 » Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:07 pm

Thanks for providing numbers dude!

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Re: Lots of Numbers: LOTD 2022-7-29

Post#3 » Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:14 pm

I was in 12man grp, still superboring for me at least on a tank but rest of the grp had som fun I guess :D
Can you pls show number from this weekends scs? Since you cant team in grp and no 2x xp/rr. See how little ppl play it.

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Re: Lots of Numbers: LOTD 2022-7-29

Post#4 » Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:33 pm

lumpi33 wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:31 am
Why didn't they made this even? Isn't it like a big scenario?

Im asking because yesterday it was very one-sided and dominated by one side. Which was destro in this case. There were probably also rounds were order had more and stomped destro into the ground. I don't really understand why the numbers in there are not even.

Cheers.
Probably for the same reason, that forts are still not balanced in pop. Balance them, give them a minimum count of players of 30 (you can get to 30 players and after that access is balanced for lotd and forts) and keep the rations that way (1:1 lotd, 2:3 fort). Also give substantial penalties for leavers - no more rr and crest gain until the fort / lotd is over.
I don't know the reason, but it seems to be the same, as both use the same access mechanics.

We were convinced that destro had a severe pop advantage, since that fight close to library. We were holding so well and just got overrun after like 5 minutes constant zerg bashing.

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Re: Lots of Numbers: LOTD 2022-7-29

Post#5 » Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:38 pm

funny thing was that there was over 100 order in normal orvr pushing empty keeps with 400% aao. If they had bothered going lotd then destro would no doubt have been badly outnumbered.

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Re: Lots of Numbers: LOTD 2022-7-29

Post#6 » Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:40 pm

viewtopic.php?f=42&t=47093&p=500182

The last update I could find in the old patch notes for testing LOTD was that the population was 192 vs 192. Assuming that's the case, destro having 197 show up on the killboard would be explainable by people leaving and getting back-filled, where-as it doesn't look like order hit their population cap to begin with. The question to ask is: does anyone know of any order or destro people who queued before the event started and didn't get in? If all of the order who queued got in then they did not reach their pop cap.

Or, the caps could be higher than 192 vs 192 now and neither side hit the cap.
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Re: Lots of Numbers: LOTD 2022-7-29

Post#7 » Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:14 pm

Order players busy pushing empty keeps as usual
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Post#8 » Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:25 pm

yea I stayed in orvr as I always do.
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Re: Lots of Numbers: LOTD 2022-7-29

Post#9 » Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:37 pm

Omegus wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:40 pm viewtopic.php?f=42&t=47093&p=500182

The last update I could find in the old patch notes for testing LOTD was that the population was 192 vs 192. Assuming that's the case, destro having 197 show up on the killboard would be explainable by people leaving and getting back-filled, where-as it doesn't look like order hit their population cap to begin with. The question to ask is: does anyone know of any order or destro people who queued before the event started and didn't get in? If all of the order who queued got in then they did not reach their pop cap.

Or, the caps could be higher than 192 vs 192 now and neither side hit the cap.
Yes, as far as I remember it was balanced in the beginning. Don't know if they have changed it. It looks like.

Hard to tell who was leaving and how many of them got filled up again. However, it is most of the time the losing side where people start to leave. This could mean that the difference in population was even higher. Maybe.

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Re: Lots of Numbers: LOTD 2022-7-29

Post#10 » Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:19 am

Now thats a lot of numbers!
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