What kind of clown are you?Tyrodan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:16 amSo to sum it up:Everdin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:55 am Of course you can survive getting pulled, you can survive rampage, so no more discussion on these topics?
You will find videos where no choppa is in sight and order die, you will find videos where no slayer is in sight and destro die, you will find videos with a bunch of slayers killing other warbands, you will find videos with gtdc spamming choppas not killing anything, you will find videos where people pulled by gtdc die. You wont find any video that PROVES anything because it all depends on the context and who your enemy is. You wont find a lot of order smallscale video where you see someone die in gtdc, people often not showing bad times in videos. While you bring some unicorn 24vs24 fights as argument, there are often fights where you have to retreat because of 24vs48, and at this point gtdc is the most stupid ez-mode prevention of order pulling out of a fight. The smaller the scale the more this is a factor.
- Choppa pull is super op to kill people, but magically there's not really much video evidence even on destro side, also it is usally not op in unicorn 24 vs 24 fights (which balance usually revolves around)
- Choppa pull is super op to catch some more fleeing oponents when the fight is already lost because of enemy number superiority
Just to make this clear: Everdin agrees, that choppa pull is only ever useful in certain situations or when the fight is already lost. He also refuses to provide any form of proof, other than his personal opinion. And this boys is the basis on which we discuss a choppa nerf.
I never saw any evidence in this thread where you can prove that rampage is what killed destro and not any other factor or the incompetence of the destro.
I never said that a fight is lost as soon as the enemy numbers are higher, if you loose every outnumbered fight...sorry for that
And SUPRISE, gtdc is only usefull in situations where you want to close a gap between you and your enemy. In a situation where order is crushing destros under their feet with big numbers, a choppa pulling a slayer in his own backline is not usefull (for destro).
Every ability is just usefull in certain situations, throwing rampage against an enemy without considerable defense is stupid. Defensive moral is only usefull if damage is overwhelming, aoe moral drop is only usefull if timed with others. Stagger is only usefull if no aoe spraying friends are in range.