Insane BW/Sorc Damage

[Sulorie]

the only thing i can think of, if all of the "inexperience" and no several BWs in the situation, are ruled out.
is that someone might have tried that aweful middletree tactic giving you a chance to reapply the middle tree dots when they get clensed and that seem to be the only way a BW can apply several versions of those dots.

Else im suppsoecting it being bugged buffhead, untill any screenshot are proving something fishy going on.

Do you get a 2nd instance of the dot and not just a refreshment by using that tactic?

[Omegus]

the only thing i can think of, if all of the "inexperience" and no several BWs in the situation, are ruled out.
is that someone might have tried that aweful middletree tactic giving you a chance to reapply the middle tree dots when they get clensed and that seem to be the only way a BW can apply several versions of those dots.

Else im suppsoecting it being bugged buffhead, untill any screenshot are proving something fishy going on.

Should that tactic allow one BW to put multiple instances of the same effect on a target though? For example, if the tactic reapplies Boiling Blood, then the same BW also casts Boiling Blood again, I would expect the BW casting Boiling Blood would replace the one the tactic applied, not do it alongside it. Otherwise that tactic with some good RNG allows for silly levels of burst from one BW.

On the builder it also says it applies if those effects "end or are removed", so would this mean it doesn't need cleanse to trigger as Boiling Blood and the others just have a natural 25% chance of reapplying once they do their thing?


edit: if Smouldering Embers does make unique copies of those effects, then with perfect RNG it would keep adding more and more effects.

1) Boiling Blood cast by BW. Number of Boiling Bloods: 1
2) Boiling Blood expires, gets reapplied by Smouldering Embers. BW also casts Boiling Blood again. Number of Boiling Bloods: 2
3) Both Boiling Bloods expire and get reapplied by Smouldering Embers. BW also casts Boiling Blood again. Number of Boiling Bloods: 3
4) etc

[Sulorie]

On test it doesn't seem to stack, ignite timer for example is reset, if I recast it, when the previous ignite got reapplied by tactic.

I think there are a lot better tactics than this. Sure, early cleanse can mess up your rotation but it is still just a chance. Considering skill cooldowns I just reapply the whole rotation.


I can only repeat myself. Record the gameplay in the background, it's pretty light on hardware and in such cases you can easily watch a replay and you actually have something to talk about, if you have a proof.


EDIT: You have 10sec BB cd anyway without cd decreaser. When BB is reapplied by tactic and ticks down to like 1sec and you can quickly reapply it manually, the timer just gets extended back to 5sec. So for this purpose the tactic is useless. Furthermore, you have to wait 10sec for some other spells in your rotation, so no need to cast faster rotation than every 10 sec.

[pvprangergod]

No it doesn't get 2 boiling bloods on same target, if it did we would have alot of tears on the forums by now.

[Omegus]

No it doesn't get 2 boiling bloods on same target, if it did we would have alot of tears on the forums by now.

Well, we also discovered on Discord that Endless Pandemonium (Magus tactic) causes multiple stacks of Pandemonium...

[Tisaya]

the only thing i can think of, if all of the "inexperience" and no several BWs in the situation, are ruled out.
is that someone might have tried that aweful middletree tactic giving you a chance to reapply the middle tree dots when they get clensed and that seem to be the only way a BW can apply several versions of those dots.

Else im suppsoecting it being bugged buffhead, untill any screenshot are proving something fishy going on.

Care to explain why is it awful? Dots being cleansed is what ruins your timestamp most often. And doing 2 BB ticks in 10s instead of 1 for the same AP and GCD seems like a great bang for the buck. I see many maguses using a tactic to reapply pandemonium and SE seems better because it has a chance to reapply 3 dots instead of 1.

[TanithScout]

15+ years people still complaining about BW... Maybe they're stacking Rain of Fires???

[Arbich]

No it doesn't get 2 boiling bloods on same target, if it did we would have alot of tears on the forums by now.

Well, we also discovered on Discord that Endless Pandemonium (Magus tactic) causes multiple stacks of Pandemonium...

You can test it in altdorf. takes 2min. It doesn´t stack. If BB gets reapplied after tick through tactic and you cast a new BB, then the reapplied dot from tactic gets overwritten with the new casted one and the dot duration resets to 10sec.

[Cyrylius]

No it doesn't get 2 boiling bloods on same target, if it did we would have alot of tears on the forums by now.

Well, we also discovered on Discord that Endless Pandemonium (Magus tactic) causes multiple stacks of Pandemonium...

It doesn't stack on one target, but you can have few pandemoniums at the same time, and considering it's AoE effect it doesn't matter that you can be affected at most one time, two pandemoniums get you twice the affected players. That being said, it takes a healer specced for cleansing who spends whole time cleansing bw rotations to partially shut down one bright wizard, and even then you get ap starved faster than him. The whole point of bw is that most targets have little capabilities of defending against timestamping, and they have to rely on other classes. For this matter mdps more than 3 seconds from Los blocker has nothing except potions to defend against the BW rotation. It's a matter of having good party, which is probably the most infuriating part.

[Sulorie]

No it doesn't get 2 boiling bloods on same target, if it did we would have alot of tears on the forums by now.

Well, we also discovered on Discord that Endless Pandemonium (Magus tactic) causes multiple stacks of Pandemonium...

It doesn't stack on one target, but you can have few pandemoniums at the same time, and considering it's AoE effect it doesn't matter that you can be affected at most one time, two pandemoniums get you twice the affected players. That being said, it takes a healer specced for cleansing who spends whole time cleansing bw rotations to partially shut down one bright wizard, and even then you get ap starved faster than him. The whole point of bw is that most targets have little capabilities of defending against timestamping, and they have to rely on other classes. For this matter mdps more than 3 seconds from Los blocker has nothing except potions to defend against the BW rotation. It's a matter of having good party, which is probably the most infuriating part.

You have to disrupt the BW/Sorc rotations long enough to swap guard to make the rotation significantly less deadly, which usually causes them to pick a different target.
Especially as non-stealth mdps you need, as you mentioned, a good party to defend against casters, unless those are alone too and you can get in range.