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balvor877
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Re: It is time

Post#61 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:21 am

Onigokko0101 wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:44 am Im willing to bet that 90% of the people complaining about this got caught solo vs said classes, and now feel the need to cry about a nerf.
Destro is crying waay more. That's the reason they nerfed everything down on order and/or mirrored it to destro.

Guess what, SHs haven't had pounce in the initial release. Now they have it on base line... Something that was a unique WL class defining ability.
Guess what, SHs haven't had the 3s knock down of the SW in the initial release. Now it's 2s but that doesn't change a lot.
http://warguide.blogspot.com/2008/10/sq ... rview.html

They buffed SHs over and over again and now it is an overpowered mess. A class that has everything.

Here are my suggestions:
- Squigbeast to M2
- No stacking of Squigbeast and Frenzy
- Spiked Squig down to 100% stat contribution.
- Knock down on Not So Fast! has to be removed. They have a pet and access to a strong finisher when skirmishing - things SWs dont have.
- Line of sight and range checking for pets need to be improved.
- Run Away! needs to be 5s 20% and break when using an ability. 10s 30% and not breaking is way overpowered for a baseline ability on a ranged dps.

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Re: It is time

Post#62 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:46 am

balvor877 wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:47 pm -> The WL should get the Frenzy as baseline as well.
For far too long WLs have had to endure surviving with 6k armor and putting out 4 digit damage. It has been a tough challenge, as they only have mobility, aoe damage, armor debuff, a pet, cc including at distance, burst damage, and medium armor.

Buff WL!

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Re: It is time

Post#63 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:53 am

balvor877 wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:21 am
Guess what, SHs haven't had pounce in the initial release. Now they have it on base line... Something that was a unique WL class defining ability.
Guess what, SHs haven't had the 3s knock down of the SW in the initial release. Now it's 2s but that doesn't change a lot.
http://warguide.blogspot.com/2008/10/sq ... rview.html

They buffed SHs over and over again and now it is an overpowered mess. A class that has everything.

Here are my suggestions:
- Squigbeast to M2
- No stacking of Squigbeast and Frenzy
- Spiked Squig down to 100% stat contribution.
- Knock down on Not So Fast! has to be removed. They have a pet and access to a strong finisher when skirmishing - things SWs dont have.
- Line of sight and range checking for pets need to be improved.
- Run Away! needs to be 5s 20% and break when using an ability. 10s 30% and not breaking is way overpowered for a baseline ability on a ranged dps.
guess what order have 3 pounce, sh pounce is a pity case just to somehow compensate destru having 0 pounce, why they give it to sh is beyond me tho.

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Re: It is time

Post#64 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:56 am

Well good luck spending all your free time on forum asking for nerfs on 1v1 basis that won't get you nowhere.
Every dps class has access to 100% dodge M1 to actually counter SHs M1. On the other hand when you pop 100% parry on whatever destro class, slayers will just laugh at you.

Cya next Monday with new call to action thread. Peace
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Re: It is time

Post#65 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:03 pm

Jinxypie wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:56 am Well good luck spending all your free time on forum asking for nerfs on 1v1 basis that won't get you nowhere.
Every dps class has access to 100% dodge M1 to actually counter SHs M1. On the other hand when you pop 100% parry on whatever destro class, slayers will just laugh at you.

Cya next Monday with new call to action thread. Peace
This is what I dont get, the tears are simply because they are good at 1v1s. No WB is bringing more then 1-2 (1 more then two) for a ST party. They arent stackable really, they are just a good ST DPS and go figure ST DPS craps on players that run around solo instead of grouping in a group based game.

If SH was this ungodly DPS able to kill anything in the game in second like people are saying, wouldnt we see more of them in WB play?
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Re: It is time

Post#66 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:06 pm

Onigokko0101 wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:03 pm If SH was this ungodly DPS able to kill anything in the game in second like people are saying, wouldnt we see more of them in WB play?
There are more and more every day if you haven't noticed. It just takes some time... Beside that none of the destro classes is bad, thus there will always be a rather normal class distribution. Not everyone is jumping the FOTM train. However, those high rr SHs are a pain for every order already. They farm all day long and destroy the skirmishing in the orvr zones. You just have all odds against you when a SH comes along. Knock down, pet damage, heal debuff, armor debuff, finishers, dots... They are roaming kings. Most of the game is orvr and they are the kings there. So is the DPS shaman. SH and shaman are pretty much the strongest duo in game. Both kite masters, both good dps, both lots of CC, both tough gits.

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Re: It is time

Post#67 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:24 pm

balvor877 wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:06 pm
Onigokko0101 wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:03 pm If SH was this ungodly DPS able to kill anything in the game in second like people are saying, wouldnt we see more of them in WB play?
There are more and more every day if you haven't noticed. It just takes some time... Beside that none of the destro classes is bad, thus there will always be a rather normal class distribution. Not everyone is jumping the FOTM train. However, those high rr SHs are a pain for every order already. They farm all day long and destroy the skirmishing in the orvr zones. You just have all odds against you when a SH comes along. Knock down, pet damage, heal debuff, armor debuff, finishers, dots... They are roaming kings. Most of the game is orvr and they are the kings there. So is the DPS shaman. SH and shaman are pretty much the strongest duo in game. Both kite masters, both good dps, both lots of CC, both tough gits.
Literally nobody runs DPS Shamans outside of small scale.

Once again, you are looking through the lens of a 1v1 when you just need to group. If you cant group, thats on you
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Re: It is time

Post#68 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:47 pm

Onigokko0101 wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:24 pm Literally nobody runs DPS Shamans outside of small scale.

Once again, you are looking through the lens of a 1v1 when you just need to group. If you cant group, thats on you
That's such a stupid argument. Why do you think that a strong DPS class is suddenly bad when playing in group or wb? It ain't.

Furthermore 1:1 and small scale are also aspects of the game. So is 6vs6, wb vs wb and zerg vs zerg. It is true that classes perform differently in different aspects. However, strong ST DPS stays strong ST DPS and you need them everywhere to focus on certain targets. In zerg vs zerg SHs and shamans are also the best classes to catch or slow the enemy.

Just watch svarz play his SH. You need an army to bring them down. Everything else is dead meat to them. Doesn't matter if 1:1, small scale, 6vs6, wb vs wb or zerg vs zerg situation. If they can't win they just run away and come back later to add on you again.

And why do you think they were running 2x SH + 2x shaman yesterday? Because they are bad? lol...

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Re: It is time

Post#69 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:54 pm

Streamers with pocket healers killing random lowbies...
Random SS´s showing ST classes topping zone kills chart...which are grouped or with pocket healers..
Random info from 2008 about classes...

If this is really the source of the info supporting to nerf a class...well, really dont know what to say.

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Re: It is time

Post#70 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:56 pm

my grandfather once said to me, life is not a child's birthday, sometimes you lose, sometimes the others win. Your daily crying is annoying. and no I don't play SH.
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