Absolutely agree with 2 previous posters. Like I said - what is the point? None.
SMs are very appealing as 2h brawlers but once in a while you ask yourself - why am I trying to squeeze dps out of a tank while not doing my core job which dps classes cannot do?
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Unfortunately for order we don't have an ez mode almost limitless cooldown reduction on our shatter like Destro can haveemiliorv wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:32 pmwell, looking how order struggle to shatter Chop fasta! i really doubt that could shatter rampage properly...
Knight 8x - IB 8x - SM 8x / Chosen 3x - BO 4x - BG 5x
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Spoiler:
A Knight w/on vigilance is still easier to build tanky than an IB in the same gear. Hence why knighy should win the poll.
Brynnoth Goldenbeard (40/80) (IB) -- Rundin Fireheart (40/50) (RP) -- Ungrinn (40/40) (Engi)-- Bramm Bloodaxe (40/83) (Slayer) and a few Empire characters here or there, maybe even an elf.
Re: Defensive tanks
A snb knight can do it's job better with vigilance, because they will die faster than an IB or SM when sitting in the blob trying to maximise it's aura debuffs, due to having slightly lower avoidance stats. IB and SM can easily have a higher base block state without having to hit a target to proc a buff to increase it. You basically need the snb IB to spec into the dps tree for the crit buff, if it's not needed by the group or you are in a pug premade, speccing into the tank tree gives far far superior guard damage avoidance tools than a knight could ever have.CountTalabecland wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:37 pmThe problem is that 1) Knights don’t need vigilance to be tanky and (2) their specs are not as tightly budgeted on points as IB. An IB needs a precise build to get its city slot, Knight is so tanky generally that they are the go to tank.Spoiler:
A Knight w/on vigilance is still easier to build tanky than an IB in the same gear. Hence why knighy should win the poll.
Knight 8x - IB 8x - SM 8x / Chosen 3x - BO 4x - BG 5x
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Re: Defensive tanks
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However, with the way guard dmg works now that parry buff isn't as good as it used to be for both classes, and Knight can bring a 100% uptime 15% disrupt buff in Gilded Shield. Furthermore, Knight can bring Coordination and will only have 10 % less parry when buffs are up. Note that Knight can also bring 100 WS from Runefang to shorten that gap a little.
Additionally, now that more guard damage gets through as all sources, raw stats are more important than ever in surviving it. The Knight's auras really brings over a ton of bang for your buck. If only knight had the old Runefang too. As it is, Knight gets 100 more toughness from tactic but IB can bring more armor if AI is used (but since the rework most IB's are not bringing AI either due to Told ya So being a must bring).
The knight could bring this build: RoR.builders - Knight of the Blazing Sun
Even if you dropped vigilance from this, this use of tactics will give you a better WB tank than an IB. The only thing this lacks against the standard IB build is 10% parry. But, you can bring Runefang for the extra WS and you can bring 15% disrupt Gilded Shield to stack with HTL. With Focused Mending and auras you have an altogether better tank for standing in the mosh pit and spamming htl and being a dmg sponge.
Knights do not die more easily than IB in any grp setting, there is a reason they are the go to tank, not IB.
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Brynnoth Goldenbeard (40/80) (IB) -- Rundin Fireheart (40/50) (RP) -- Ungrinn (40/40) (Engi)-- Bramm Bloodaxe (40/83) (Slayer) and a few Empire characters here or there, maybe even an elf.
Re: Defensive tanks
What is this build lmao, vigilance, runefang, no dirty tricks, no slice through, no kd, no ap aura
Is this one of those "it works for me bro" things NA players usually go with?
Is this one of those "it works for me bro" things NA players usually go with?
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Re: Defensive tanks
This is trying to bring everything possible to make you look better in this poll.
IDK if you read the poll title but it is "hardest to kill" with a bunch of ppl dog piling on you
Brynnoth Goldenbeard (40/80) (IB) -- Rundin Fireheart (40/50) (RP) -- Ungrinn (40/40) (Engi)-- Bramm Bloodaxe (40/83) (Slayer) and a few Empire characters here or there, maybe even an elf.
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What are you talking about, have I posted in this thread before?
Are we going for meme builds here that are useless for any sort of play and just for funzies tankiness?
Are we going for meme builds here that are useless for any sort of play and just for funzies tankiness?
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The only thing i got clear about this poll is that order forum warriors need more fake accounts to flip pools.
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Do you maybe work in infamous russian troll farm bc it seams you have big experience in shitposting
- the topic shows ppl perspective nothing less or more
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