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Re: Shield DOK / WP

Post#41 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:18 pm

Gamble of solo queue. Outside of 6v6 shield spec is nothing. It's too strong only on paper.
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Re: Shield DOK / WP

Post#42 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:40 pm

Rename this thread to Ivyan's Fan Club.
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Re: Shield DOK / WP

Post#43 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:20 pm

Twyxx wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:40 pm Rename this thread to Ivyan's Fan Club.
Iyvan´s (he sucks) or Iyvans (he is cool)?
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Re: Shield DOK / WP

Post#44 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:43 am

AP drain is key in small scale and 1on1.
kite is in orvr.
in city, both.

guard/heal team supports are centered around them. that's at least 3~4 helpers.
have you countered him as team ? I doubt. probably did mindless dummy hitting.

do you know who have semi-perma AP drain beside am/sham ? that's tanks.
they also have challenge, avoidance, cc and durability. all the things to counter melee heal.
though you need spec to counter it.
SM8, SW8, AM8, WL7, KoBS5, BW5, WP8, WH7, IB7, Eng5, RP5, SL6
BG8, Sorc8, DoK8, WE7, Chs8, Mg8, Ze7, Mara8, BO6, SH7, Shm5, Chop4
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Re: Shield DOK / WP

Post#45 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:26 am

anarchypark wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:43 am AP drain is key in small scale and 1on1.
kite is in orvr.
in city, both.

guard/heal team supports are centered around them. that's at least 3~4 helpers.
have you countered him as team ? I doubt. probably did mindless dummy hitting.

do you know who have semi-perma AP drain beside am/sham ? that's tanks.
they also have challenge, avoidance, cc and durability. all the things to counter melee heal.
though you need spec to counter it.
Biggest heal on shield dok/wp cost soul essence, how you drain it?
Main problem at ranked are always tank for me, look at those guys who streaming and playing tank.
Some ppl not using punt at all, or use 1-2 punt in 10min sc?:D
Want see some screenshot in balanced city fight, you will see shield dok/wp outheal everyone x2:P

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Re: Shield DOK / WP

Post#46 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:40 am

Outhealing everyone if they have guard. A healer will not get a dedicated guard in city, that means a dps dont.
Sure decent in soloq when we lack cc
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Re: Shield DOK / WP

Post#47 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:57 am

Panodil wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:40 am Outhealing everyone if they have guard. A healer will not get a dedicated guard in city, that means a dps dont.
Sure decent in soloq when we lack cc
However there is circumstances where guarding a shield dok over 1 dps is the difference between the entire warband dying or not. An offensive shield dok can output the highest healing in the game by multiples of any of class.

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Re: Shield DOK / WP

Post#48 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:19 pm

Mergrim wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:26 am
anarchypark wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:43 am AP drain is key in small scale and 1on1.
kite is in orvr.
in city, both.

guard/heal team supports are centered around them. that's at least 3~4 helpers.
have you countered him as team ? I doubt. probably did mindless dummy hitting.

do you know who have semi-perma AP drain beside am/sham ? that's tanks.
they also have challenge, avoidance, cc and durability. all the things to counter melee heal.
though you need spec to counter it.
Biggest heal on shield dok/wp cost soul essence, how you drain it?
Main problem at ranked are always tank for me, look at those guys who streaming and playing tank.
Some ppl not using punt at all, or use 1-2 punt in 10min sc?:D
Want see some screenshot in balanced city fight, you will see shield dok/wp outheal everyone x2:P

after 1 or 2 channeling it needs to build essence/RF. That needs AP.
AP starved = no more mechanic.

I assume most snb dok/wp target himself or guard tank as heal target.
make him change heal targets often. make him busy, he'll miss RF management. then no heal.
if he don't care other grp members other than duo. focus ungaurded dps.
maybe time to use rdps.
SM8, SW8, AM8, WL7, KoBS5, BW5, WP8, WH7, IB7, Eng5, RP5, SL6
BG8, Sorc8, DoK8, WE7, Chs8, Mg8, Ze7, Mara8, BO6, SH7, Shm5, Chop4
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( last update : 2020.06.09)

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Re: Shield DOK / WP

Post#49 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:46 pm

Something is unbalanced when any premade City group has 6 WP/DoK or more as a standard.

WP has a mass range AoE detaunt on the same cooldown as the debuff, so a permanent 50% less damage taken, on top of their extra defensive abilities. In a 48 person close range battle, this makes WP the only viable healer who can survive an assist train.

I don't know about DoKs, but if they have anything similar, it's probably why they are in demand as well. I know they are the hardest healing class to kill with an assist train.

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