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[Zarbix] Talking about class balance

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Re: [Zarbix] Talking about class balance

Post#141 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:47 am

hammerhead wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:34 am Balance starts with a balanced group. Take the standard group Bork + Mara/mSH vs SM + WL/aSW (we will take out the kobs/chosen one outside the brackets, other things being equal). Omitting the fact that for Bork it is much easier to apply the CD decreaser (literally even before the clinch), note that armor debuff is better for both Mara and SH, as well as WS buff, aoe Strengh debuff, double absorption. Who needs a spirit debuff in the order group? One skill for a lion? Both SH and Mara in the group have more utilities more protection they receive more from Bork than their opponents. WL does not have that protection, does not have such a utility as Monstro stanse, whereas for protection aSW can only claim the ST group, and is it that the counterweight -20% / 20ft of damage in area for 4 seconds from the SM that can only be taken for 70rr? Or + mythical 25% heal from a Kobs + WP? This is how the whole order is permanently walk under DT and Blast Wave. And in general, desi apologists do not see all those procs and doughs point-blank because they are guided by bare numbers, they say, the order has more firepower. Well, if only it were or or at least stack IB as well as bork for heavy melee meta.
But chosens and knights arent equal when we are looking at grp-play, so you cant remove them from the equation. Most knights buff are on defensive procs were as chosens are mostly offensive, that makes a huge difference. Not saying that your point is invalid, just that your regard certain information as non-important when they infact are.

This is the problem when trying to balancing realms that arent complete mirrors.
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Re: [Zarbix] Talking about class balance

Post#142 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:05 am

There is so many knights in city warbands, just have one or two chain interrupt interrupt the mSH? WL and SM can spec for aoe interrupts also.

Just an idea...
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Re: [Zarbix] Talking about class balance

Post#143 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:25 pm

wachlarz wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:21 am Meaby its time to lock this fun topic ?
That happens If only the topic is about WL :D

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Re: [Zarbix] Talking about class balance

Post#144 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:35 pm

ByzantineTime wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:47 am
Jinxypie wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:13 am
balvor877 wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:59 am btw: 01:36:35 is my favorite moment... the squig pet auto attacking two times non crit for over 1100 each hit.
Squig frenzy + M1. No guard on...
Kill the pet next time. Destro already knows the drill when it comes to lions. Dont worry, you will get used to it ;)
I am a destro player, and that's looking broken as a hell that pet damage.
2.2k damage against a 6.3k hp player that really ridiculous lol, and saying msh has no ST build no? pff, which dps class in game gets such strong m1 as this? hint: none.

2.2k damage non crit!!!
Yes its strong as hell. I use it time to time, but I die too many times compared to M1 100 dodge/disrubt which is must when you running just 65ft from your targets. I would have no problem if squig m1 damage boost will be gone, because you are far squishier with it.
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Re: [Zarbix] Talking about class balance

Post#145 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:56 pm

wachlarz wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:21 am Meaby its time to lock this fun topic ?
You need to call for rampage nerf if you wanna get the topic closed asap, folowed by the usual "working as intended"

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Re: [Zarbix] Talking about class balance

Post#146 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:45 pm

Neverever wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:24 am
teiloh wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:05 am
Vri wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:19 am

Everything was worse this time last year. The issue is not SHs, its low ranked/low geared players being nuked by geared SHs that have put in the time. Seeing a lot of the SHs you are seeing are not geared.
Most people are fine being time-stamped by Sorcs for 3000-5000+ damage in an instant. With Squigs, you don't get the sense that they risked or sacrificed anything for their kills.

Just too much damage and utility for the most mobile, survivable class.
Just too much whining without reason and proof. SH is fine. Learn to play against them period.
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Re: [Zarbix] Talking about class balance

Post#147 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:07 pm

that post looks like give all classe 100dmg all skill for fare pvp.

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Re: [Zarbix] Talking about class balance

Post#148 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:14 pm

Neverever wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:34 am

Now you can stop your nonsense about SH combining all the CC from WL and SW. You are just making things up out of your ass. You are just ridiculous.
Half of the things you listed are not even CC. Please try to actually read people's arguments.

SW Core:

Ranged Snare
AOE Snare + Self Punt
Ranged Silence
Melee Disarm
Morale Snare

SW Spec:
5x Ranged KD
13x Melee KD

WL Core:

Melee Snare
Pet Snare
Pet Silence
Pet Pull
Morale Root

WL Spec:

9x Pet KD

SH Core:

Ranged Snare
Melee Snare
AOE Snare + Self Punt
Ranged Silence
Pet Disarm
Pet KD
Melee KD
AOE KB
Morale Snare

SH Spec:
5x Ranged KD

I repeat again, the SH has more CC core than either WL or SW. It has more CC in 5x ranged spec than any viable WL + SW spec combined, as no SW goes AS/Scout

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Re: [Zarbix] Talking about class balance

Post#149 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:23 pm

teiloh wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:14 pm
Neverever wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:34 am

Now you can stop your nonsense about SH combining all the CC from WL and SW. You are just making things up out of your ass. You are just ridiculous.
Half of the things you listed are not even CC. Please try to actually read people's arguments.

SW Core:

Ranged Snare
AOE Snare + Self Punt
Ranged Silence
Melee Disarm
Morale Snare

SW Spec:
5x Ranged KD
13x Melee KD

WL Core:

Melee Snare
Pet Snare
Pet Silence
Pet Pull
Morale Root

WL Spec:

9x Pet KD

SH Core:

Ranged Snare
Melee Snare
AOE Snare + Self Punt
Ranged Silence
Pet Disarm
Pet KD
Melee KD
AOE KB
Morale Snare

SH Spec:
5x Ranged KD

I repeat again, the SH has more CC core than either WL or SW. It has more CC in 5x ranged spec than any viable WL + SW spec combined, as no SW goes AS/Scout
No one's going to change anything. The bossmen play Destro as mains. I would assume at least 1 is a SH. Flashbacks of Torq/Secrets WL supremacy issues.
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Re: [Zarbix] Talking about class balance

Post#150 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:35 pm

teiloh wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:14 pm
Neverever wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:34 am

Now you can stop your nonsense about SH combining all the CC from WL and SW. You are just making things up out of your ass. You are just ridiculous.
Half of the things you listed are not even CC. Please try to actually read people's arguments.

SW Core:

Ranged Snare
AOE Snare + Self Punt
Ranged Silence
Melee Disarm
Morale Snare

SW Spec:
5x Ranged KD
13x Melee KD

WL Core:

Melee Snare
Pet Snare
Pet Silence
Pet Pull
Morale Root

WL Spec:

9x Pet KD

SH Core:

Ranged Snare
Melee Snare
AOE Snare + Self Punt
Ranged Silence
Pet Disarm
Pet KD
Melee KD
AOE KB
Morale Snare

SH Spec:
5x Ranged KD

I repeat again, the SH has more CC core than either WL or SW. It has more CC in 5x ranged spec than any viable WL + SW spec combined, as no SW goes AS/Scout

It was a response to your whine post so it is you and your funny list that is not aware of what is CC.

Pet doesn't have a KD anymore so stop repeating same false remark.

SH AOE Knock Back has already been nerfed because of senseless cries. And even before it was nerfed it was pretty fair to have it on a ranged class that is forced into 65ft range.

So as you can see SW alone has nearly equal CCs to SH despite its 100ft range...

With all that said, even you don't know what you are after. You keep contradicting yourself and parroting same delusional lies all over. No wonder you are a subject of mockery on both destro and order general chat. So I won't be wasting anymore time on replying your jokes.
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