Return of Reckoning

uhm wat?

I've never seen a MSH come even remotely close to sorc/magus dmg in somewhat evenly fought cities.

guys, why all look at the damge numbers, that is just a little thing, the damge say nothing about how good or how weak a group is.

as example, you can do 1 million damage point, if the group lose, then it is a lose. the tactic and teamplay are important and not just the damage numbers.

mogt wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:27 pm guys, why all look at the damge numbers, that is just a little thing, the damge say nothing about how good or how weak a group is.

as example, you can do 1 million damage point, if the group lose, then it is a lose. the tactic and teamplay are important and not just the damage numbers.

finally some smart words in all recent forum wars.

emiliorv wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:01 pm yes...lets take (AGAIN) a PUG VS PREMADE city instance as a "balance" argument...how funny the tipical order-forum-warriors just jumped to claim how OP is the mSH...

Lets not talk about how aoe BW is overperforming, said for experienced BW players...noo BW is balanced...a mSH doing pewpew aoe to puggers (+ battelfield objetives) are op...

How much utility does BW have?

Nishka wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:37 pm

emiliorv wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:01 pm yes...lets take (AGAIN) a PUG VS PREMADE city instance as a "balance" argument...how funny the tipical order-forum-warriors just jumped to claim how OP is the mSH...

Lets not talk about how aoe BW is overperforming, said for experienced BW players...noo BW is balanced...a mSH doing pewpew aoe to puggers (+ battelfield objetives) are op...

How much utility does BW have?

A lot :v

Gurf wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:59 am MSH damage is definitely over tuned considering the amount of utility and tools it has, it shouldn't be doing damage close to a Choppa/Sorc/ Slayer/BW because it doesn't have the risk mechanic, rather has the opposite defence mechanic and survivability tools. It may get a bit of a "rework" with the upcoming SH changes I assume.

If by amount of utility you mean Shattered Limbs mirror, what you will say about Slayers damage
Fact you say mSH has no "risk mechanic" comparing to Slayer is kinda funny, as 5s AoE detaunt on 10s CD and godlike M1 gives way more survivability in proper group than what mSH has to offer in build that does any reasonable dmg.

M0rw47h wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:58 pm

Gurf wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:59 am MSH damage is definitely over tuned considering the amount of utility and tools it has, it shouldn't be doing damage close to a Choppa/Sorc/ Slayer/BW because it doesn't have the risk mechanic, rather has the opposite defence mechanic and survivability tools. It may get a bit of a "rework" with the upcoming SH changes I assume.

If by amount of utility you mean Shattered Limbs mirror, what you will say about Slayers damage

Salyers dmg is fine and rampage is working as intended....didnt you listen the Q&A?? LMAO

Nishka wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:37 pm

emiliorv wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:01 pm yes...lets take (AGAIN) a PUG VS PREMADE city instance as a "balance" argument...how funny the tipical order-forum-warriors just jumped to claim how OP is the mSH...

Lets not talk about how aoe BW is overperforming, said for experienced BW players...noo BW is balanced...a mSH doing pewpew aoe to puggers (+ battelfield objetives) are op...

How much utility does BW have?

Being the BEST RDPS in game??

M0rw47h wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:58 pm

Gurf wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:59 am MSH damage is definitely over tuned considering the amount of utility and tools it has, it shouldn't be doing damage close to a Choppa/Sorc/ Slayer/BW because it doesn't have the risk mechanic, rather has the opposite defence mechanic and survivability tools. It may get a bit of a "rework" with the upcoming SH changes I assume.

If by amount of utility you mean Shattered Limbs mirror, what you will say about Slayers damage

I think its stupid that BW gets a ranged knockdown, as big damage classes should rely on others for their CC. But lets take a look at what utility the SH has, so they have a Pounce, aoe knockback, knockdown, 2 speed increase, aoe cooldown increaser, disarm, interrupt, silence, escape tool with Kaboom. While they can't use it all in all builds they basically have access to every single utility in one class And they also do top damage