It also doesn't help that every time my knockback immunity is off cooldown there's always a random friendly choppa coming along to 'git to da choppa' me and restart my immunity for when destro actually pushes.Acidic wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:01 pmThe thing is that range defintly has its impact and rightfully so, however Slayers on the side behind the tank wall are a bigger problem for the tanks pushing for Destro. That rampage ignores block and parry and makes guard damage undefendable is kind of guaranteed serious contribution to Destro issues pushing forts.CountTalabecland wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:35 pmKeep telling yourself that so you don’t need to address your own issues. Try playing Order sometime and counting the Slayers properly AoE bombing the door pushes. Most of Order doesnt even push.Acidic wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:56 am I’m a strong believer in that destroy ability to push forts is caused by some of the issues raised here but additionally by
A) knobs - one your guard with no icd
B) slayer rampage from behind a tank wall(no ability to shatter, moral dump can not clear slayers after nerf)
These two issues are big difference when destro pushes and not a factor in order pushes
And yes rampage = root of all evil
Its maybe 1/10 the amount of RDPS bombing with free dps from the back because Destro doesnt have much counter ranged dps. If Slayer was so OP in this setting everyone would play it.
Destro lacks adequate numbers of RDPS inside the lords room. That is the backbone of Order’s fort strategy attacking or defending. The number of MDPS is pretty insignificant in comparison, especially for the purpose of killing tanks.
Are Slayers and rampage good, yes, are they the all powerful boogeyman you make them out to be, no.
There is also other things such as on your guard no icd and moral which drain all morals.
Additionally no SH range redo only SW does not help
As for slayers being the reason why destro pushes fail, I don't know. That may be. Destro has the combat logs to look through to see whether the slayers were the ones killing them. I can say that from my perspective on the order tank wall the order side, there usually aren't that many slayers compared to bright wizards, engies and shadow warriors for dps or even white lions. Obviously, it will be different based on each individual fort attempt, but generally I haven't seen as many slayers around. I think that's likely to change as there seem to be a lot leveling up, though. It's possible that a couple of slayers are jacking up the destro pushes, though. I just hold the line and challenge and m4 while **** blows up around me.