thedonkeykong332 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:48 pm
"Because most wl's go pet less aoe"
Well there you go, you have a choice either go pet or go pet less, why you need the root? you want to catch people good. be with the pet, you want to be aoe and WB play? Good no pet, now you can decide! you gain something give up something else, you know the word *balance* right?
So no need to be a snowflake when I just want to have a balance.
It's not really a meaningful choice at all, the pet gets instantly melted from the AoE in city and WBs. The AoE WL spec does decent damage but loses all utility and burst, the big single target WL burst comes from co-ordinated strike (which you lose with no pet in AOE) and either the 50% hp Execute (which you lose in AOE spec if you want the AOE interrupt which is the only utility you have in AOE spec) or the Pet enrage Leonine Frenzy (which you can't get in AOE spec). So in AoE spec you don't have a KD,silence, pull etc... you have zero single target burst and your ONLY utility is AoE interrupt (which is only 15feet around you). Giving all of that up and in any good guild/alliance WB the WL is still out DPSed by Slayers and BW on his team and Choppa/Mara/SH/Sorc on Destro, just look at any close fought established guild city screenshots, you won't often see the WL as the no.1 damage if those other classes are equally geared and it's a close fight.
The mobility WL / Order gets is an answer to the greenskin tactic "Run Away!", as a WL player I don't mind giving that up if Run Away also gets removed. If we just focus on nerfing WL than Shaman would be literally untouchable/unkillable (which is the reason why so many people kept bringing up the shaman thing in your WL topic), ranged SH will kite all day. Order doesn't have the equivelant and AM is literally a hinderance in anything bigger than 1v1 yet Destro still gets a highly mobile class in mSH (which unlike WL has all their tools from just speccing into one tree and have the choice of ST burst with pet/tactics or AoE pressure and utility that's better than WL with a change of tactics and no pet). For the Order squishies mSH is just as scary and don't you dare be within Choppa GTDC range as that is insta death too.
I think the problem is with a "grass is always greener" mentality, I have mained mSH and Magus on Destro and used to think the WL was OP too, even though I used to have a pretty good chance beating a WL on both those classes (I used to do a solo roaming defensive build on Magus). So when my friends stopped playing and I rolled a WL I was in for a shock let me tell you, it's still a mDPS, you still need a healer/guard to get things done against competent people (you still can't bring down a defensive specced healer in good gear that detaunts). Destro have the stronger melee ball, Destro have more tanks, I swear to you my WL experience has been more miserable than both mSH and Magus (both leveling and at endgame up to Vanq/invader gear). If you want good burst in WL you're building squishy too.
If you look at the melee DPS between the two factions Choppa/Slayer are arguably the closest (rampage vs GTDC both being very strong tools), then you have WL/aSW vs Mara/mSH, in a city and bigger scenarios destro has the clear AOE/Utility/tankyness advantage over the glass cannon WL/aSW and AOE/utility is all that matters in those situations. Sure ST target spec WL has slightly better burst than mSH focusing on ST with pet but not by much, the mSH wins in AOE pressure and utility if the classes go AOE for city/sc's.
You mention duels and again a WL has no chance against equally geared Destro tanks, as far as DPS goes the easiest kills are Sorcs (just like BW would be for any destro mDPS that has their root removal/immunity bound), Magus tend to build tanky rift build or if in good gear can win due to knockback/disarm/aegis ability. Mara can get pretty good Parry numbers and as long as they aren't super glass canon and survive the WL burst it's pretty even, same goes for WE (as long as they aren't built as glass canon in 1v1 roaming...). MSH is 50/50 I would say but usually they are in AOE spec not 1v1 spec, Choppa is usually a win for WL unless the choppa is in almost BIS gear (same goes for Slayers 1v1 vs destro DPS though). Doks usually either outlive the burst as healers and slowly walk back to their WB/Warcamp or kill you if DPS/Shield spec, you have no chance as WL there.
So in solo roaming as a WL all you have is Sorcs/Choppa and badly geared/specced Shamans/Zealots (any other mDPS kills these too maybe just slower than WL), I don't see that as OP at all, not to mention Mara/WE/Choppa can go a high parry or defensive or regen builds which the WL doesn't really have access too (if they wanted to just focus on roaming). Any experienced roamer out there will tell you WL is not at the top of the solo/roaming totem pole at all.
Lastly, you mentioned watching a WL streaming looking OP but keep in mind that particular WL is pretty much best in slot gear, most classes are OP in BiS gear and it's not something to gauge balance around until everyone is in BIS gear.
The m1 Root which you seem to have such a big issue with (as you are a shaman, it hardly affects any other class as they just remove it or use m2 in the case of healers) is getting nerfed down too.
I hope I've addressed most of your points, I would urge you to make a WL and see for yourself as your posts come off very Destro/Shaman biased.