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Re: Remove shaman/am slow from healing tree

Post#41 » Mon May 25, 2020 11:24 pm

Telen wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 5:41 pm
Live you couldnt spam GFI and ITT on the move while kiting and getting speed procs. This change was really to fix AMs and made Shaman practically uncatchable if played correctly.
This this and this again. Also that it stacks with flee is horrible in itself. If we wouldnt have a wl with ensnare in our party we would never catch these green basterds with a warrior priest and a wh.

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Re: Remove shaman/am slow from healing tree

Post#42 » Tue May 26, 2020 12:58 am

Wiede wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 10:46 pm
If you skill the snare it makes 3 of 6 skills you can use (if you're not healing, lol) better.

Don't know what you talk about useless skillpoints.

It's a strong ability and deserves to be 9+ in any tree.
Guys please learn to read.

If this skill was given freely, without having to spend mastery points on it, you would get an extra mastery point to use somewhere else ok?
That is not a nerf in any way :).

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Re: Remove shaman/am slow from healing tree

Post#43 » Tue May 26, 2020 12:59 am

saupreusse wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 11:24 pm
Telen wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 5:41 pm
Live you couldnt spam GFI and ITT on the move while kiting and getting speed procs. This change was really to fix AMs and made Shaman practically uncatchable if played correctly.
This this and this again. Also that it stacks with flee is horrible in itself. If we wouldnt have a wl with ensnare in our party we would never catch these green basterds with a warrior priest and a wh.
Yeah but its the class you know, like this is the shaman class.

What about WL having all the possible utilities in the game, besides silence in one class. Does that make any sense to you?

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Re: Remove shaman/am slow from healing tree

Post#44 » Tue May 26, 2020 12:25 pm

thedonkeykong332 wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 12:59 am
saupreusse wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 11:24 pm
Telen wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 5:41 pm
Live you couldnt spam GFI and ITT on the move while kiting and getting speed procs. This change was really to fix AMs and made Shaman practically uncatchable if played correctly.
This this and this again. Also that it stacks with flee is horrible in itself. If we wouldnt have a wl with ensnare in our party we would never catch these green basterds with a warrior priest and a wh.
Yeah but its the class you know, like this is the shaman class.

What about WL having all the possible utilities in the game, besides silence in one class. Does that make any sense to you?
No. Thats why im actively joining the discussion in the ensnare/flames of fate topic.

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Re: Remove shaman/am slow from healing tree

Post#45 » Tue May 26, 2020 2:02 pm

There are a lot of classes with skills and tactics in the wrong trees. I think they know this, but is not a priority I guess.

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Re: Remove shaman/am slow from healing tree

Post#46 » Tue May 26, 2020 2:34 pm

thedonkeykong332 wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 12:59 am
saupreusse wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 11:24 pm
Telen wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 5:41 pm
Live you couldnt spam GFI and ITT on the move while kiting and getting speed procs. This change was really to fix AMs and made Shaman practically uncatchable if played correctly.
This this and this again. Also that it stacks with flee is horrible in itself. If we wouldnt have a wl with ensnare in our party we would never catch these green basterds with a warrior priest and a wh.
Yeah but its the class you know, like this is the shaman class.

What about WL having all the possible utilities in the game, besides silence in one class. Does that make any sense to you?
WL have a silence, it's a core ability
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saupreusse
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Re: Remove shaman/am slow from healing tree

Post#47 » Tue May 26, 2020 2:41 pm

Nekkma wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 6:47 pm
Telen wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 6:35 pm
Nekkma wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 6:02 pm
Depends on when on live you are talking about tbh. RD, TB, crystal of sandstorm/odjira and increased armor/stats made kiting way more potent on live than the abilities to ”spam” GFI.
It isnt spam of GFI its the alternating GFI, GnC and DFN with ITT that gives loads of kite healing for a dps. Honestly the survivability of AM is higher than other rdps and shaman is even further ahead already.
Yes, I just pointed out that you had alot of other tools back then not avaliable here. Additionally, wl wasn’t a thing and ofc asw, msh didn’t fly around.
Odjijra and sandstorm crystal made kiting actualy harder because every tank had one in their boots.

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Re: Remove shaman/am slow from healing tree

Post#48 » Tue May 26, 2020 3:10 pm

thedonkeykong332 wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 12:59 am
saupreusse wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 11:24 pm
Telen wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 5:41 pm
Live you couldnt spam GFI and ITT on the move while kiting and getting speed procs. This change was really to fix AMs and made Shaman practically uncatchable if played correctly.
This this and this again. Also that it stacks with flee is horrible in itself. If we wouldnt have a wl with ensnare in our party we would never catch these green basterds with a warrior priest and a wh.
Yeah but its the class you know, like this is the shaman class.

What about WL having all the possible utilities in the game, besides silence in one class. Does that make any sense to you?

The move needs to be higher in the healing tree. They moved it for a reason, DPS shaman and AM's should have to spec into something else so they can't get all their goodies in one tree. Class is fine, you can triple spec and be fine. But, you don't want to.

Also, other classes have way more stuff than the WL. SW/ SH have most tools in the game. But, that is what they bring to the table for groups.

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Re: Remove shaman/am slow from healing tree

Post#49 » Tue May 26, 2020 7:06 pm

sogeou wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 3:10 pm
thedonkeykong332 wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 12:59 am
saupreusse wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 11:24 pm


This this and this again. Also that it stacks with flee is horrible in itself. If we wouldnt have a wl with ensnare in our party we would never catch these green basterds with a warrior priest and a wh.
Yeah but its the class you know, like this is the shaman class.

What about WL having all the possible utilities in the game, besides silence in one class. Does that make any sense to you?

The move needs to be higher in the healing tree. They moved it for a reason, DPS shaman and AM's should have to spec into something else so they can't get all their goodies in one tree. Class is fine, you can triple spec and be fine. But, you don't want to.

Also, other classes have way more stuff than the WL. SW/ SH have most tools in the game. But, that is what they bring to the table for groups.
The only possible way for a triple spec is:
9/11/5

You get slow, barb's (healdebuff), nuke (touch of gork), some da green with scuse me(elemental resistance debuff).
With that spec tho I find it to be weaker in solo roam, my healing gets affected from touch of gork, and also casted heals in (divine fury).

I found out the best spec for roaming is 13/0/11 ( heavy healing, da green)
that way I just dot + hot, easy kills + survivability

but in the roaming spec, I can't nuke, no touch of gork, no barbs vs healers, so as you see every build has something missing, that's why shaman is weakened a bit, doesn't matter which build you go something is always missing.

I would have no problem sticking with let's say the triple spec build of , 9/11/5 if they can remove the reduced healing I get from touch of gork, it's too much, 20% from it + 20% from casted spells on divine fury.

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Re: Remove shaman/am slow from healing tree

Post#50 » Tue May 26, 2020 7:13 pm

sogeou wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 3:10 pm
thedonkeykong332 wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 12:59 am
saupreusse wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 11:24 pm


This this and this again. Also that it stacks with flee is horrible in itself. If we wouldnt have a wl with ensnare in our party we would never catch these green basterds with a warrior priest and a wh.
Yeah but its the class you know, like this is the shaman class.

What about WL having all the possible utilities in the game, besides silence in one class. Does that make any sense to you?

The move needs to be higher in the healing tree. They moved it for a reason, DPS shaman and AM's should have to spec into something else so they can't get all their goodies in one tree. Class is fine, you can triple spec and be fine. But, you don't want to.

Also, other classes have way more stuff than the WL. SW/ SH have most tools in the game. But, that is what they bring to the table for groups.
DPS AM and Shaman are nothing more than annoying 1v1 classes that see absolutely ZERO play in city 6v6 or any organized play.

Unfortunely everyone hates dps am and sh bc of how annoying they are and bc of that they will never get a buff. Its like having all the hate and stigma attached to WL bit also being a dogshit class no one acrually wants to play with.

I cry about magus and eng all day on forums but honestly dps am and sh are in an even worse spot.

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