The Great Healer Debate - Armor vs. Wounds

[jtj5002]

Can someone explain the spreadsheet results as if I'm a hugh-mon being? If i'm a zealot approaching Sov. should I bother slotting 164 armor talis? I'm not Hugh Hefner's ghost after all.

I was a wounds-tali-on-healer person until I allowed myself to be convinced of armor's effectiveness. Should I dis-abuse myself of that notion? Use more hyphens people.

This is the way armor works in the current version in the game, the soft cap is 3300 which is 75% damage reduction. Anything past that start to act as a buffer against armor debuffs and armor penetration.

For example, If I have 5000 armor and 8% ignore armor pen, and I go up against a enemy with 40% armor pen. My effective armor after calculating his armor pen would be 5000 * (1-(40%-8%)) = 3400, which still the over the armor cap, meaning I will still have the max 75% damage mitigation against him and his armor penetration effectively had zero affect on me. Even up against slayers while having WL armor debuff, it still offers a pretty good mitigation.

5000 armor is obtainable on tanks and doks/wp. However on zealots, The absolute max armor you can get with Sov + 8x 180 talis + 825 armor pot + wind impervious is still only around ~3700. That is only 400 armor over cap, not a very big buffer against armor debuff/armor pen. Your damage mitigation can be easily reduced from 75% to ~20% by debuffs/armor pen. In most cases wound will give you a higher effective HP which might just buy you enough time to force a target switch.

[Fey]

Okay thanks, Sunglass plays with us a lot, I'll get his feedback as well. Thanks good discussion.

[Ori]

Sov 1420, 6 reduce armor pen
8 x 180 + 120(ring) tali
210 the winds
1056, 10% reduce armor pen (Warping The Spirit)
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~4k, 16 reduce armor pen

4000 * (1 - (40% - 16%)) = 3040

[Hreoms]

After careful reading and evaluation wounds is superior due to the simple fact that all the armor debuff skills in the game are superior to all the wound debuff skills, take 2 examples wl can debuff armor by 50 % while we can lower wounds by 100 which is nothing to make a difference so on a cloth user wounds is the superior choice.

[chudasvi]

I made a little calculations for cloth armor healers, such as AM, RP, Zealot and Shamman, using data from Omegus spreadsheet.
Table shows Effective health points dependence on armor. Each point in a row shows different armor values, because i was swaping +164 armor talismans with +23 wounds talismans (So points on right side they have high armor values, around 2900, and low HP, around 7500. And on left side armor is low and HP are high, around 9500). And different rows show being targeted by different armor penetration values. At very top 0% armor penetration, at very bottom 100% armor penetration.

https://prnt.sc/sf9zac

As table shows, when you are being targeted by someone with 0% armor penetration (only theoretically), some armor is efficient, actually 3x +164. But, higher armor penetration / armor debuff WL/Mara, table shows higher efficiency with sloting all wounds talismans.

[emiliorv]

Keep in mind that willpower is a bit more effective on zealot than it does on the other healers.

Healing numbers are not connected directly with your willpower, so yes u could

Question => someone made some calcs about how heal/hps grow with willpower for different classes?? i have started some test but still didnt with my shammy...but im curious if someone really did calcs about this

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I made a little calculations for cloth armor healers, such as AM, RP, Zealot and Shamman, using data from Omegus spreadsheet.
Table shows Effective health points dependet on armor. Each point in a row shows different armor values, because i was swaping +164 armor talismans with +23 wounds talismans (So points on right side they have high armor values, around 2900, and low HP, around 7500. And on left side armor is low and HP are high, around 9500). And different rows show being targeted by different armor penetration values. At very top 0% armor penetration, at very bottom 100% armor penetration.



As table shows, when you are being targeted by someone with 0% armor penetration, some armor is efficient, actually 3x +164. But with higher armor penetration / armor debuff WL/Mara, table shows higher efficiency with sloting all wounds talismans.

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[chudasvi]

Table isn't showing up.

should be fixed

[Jeliel80]

The simple truth is that you're all a bunch of cheapskate and wanna get away with wounds instead of armor

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Very nice, thanks!