Debate about why Order is how it is.

[Martok]

Order can’t push. They are marginally decent at it to wipe a siege since all RDPS are safe on the wall. Order is entirely hopeless at pushing in pug scens. Nuff said

Sadly this is true.

[emiliorv]

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again, looks like a "niche" comp for premade wbs => its the same like the stacking WL for pounce+whiling axe and totaly destroy destro backline... order already did that (iirc was secrets guild who made that).

Captain's Log, Stardate 1337. I am so strong that I am a guild by myself now. The lions I tame have grown sentient and have cornered every shaman in the game by themselves. Not satisfied with the total enslavement of Destruction, I have turned my lions on Karl Franz and I am now self-proclaimed God-Emperor of Altdorf.

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Sorry, remembered that you were "trolling" complainers in this post and assumed you were one of "that WLs"...anyways, the fact that you were or not in that WL stack+stompfest is not relevant.

Congrats for being the new altdorf emperor....but looking how city sieges are going i dont envy you...

[Secrets]

Sorry, remembered that you were "trolling" complainers in this post and assumed you were one of "that WLs"...anyways, the fact that you were or not in that WL stack+stompfest is not relevant.

If it's not relevant then why bring it up?

Sorry, didn't think it was a crime for White Lions to play the game. There's no guild or conspiracy here.

Don't throw baseless accusations if you can't handle factual trolling.

[dansari]

if you are getting obliterated by squigs it means you have garbage positioning, they do no dmg, they are annoying but dmg wise its all fluf aoe nonsense.

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All where MSH was in the top ~3 damage for destro, normally with solid dbs as well. Methinks thou hast no ideath whatever the **** thou talketh about.

[maximus76]

Would it help is there was a another row on the stats board for tanks, something like dmg taken or even better damage mitigated? this would add to RR score thus making tanks a more attractive pick? as they would gain RR faster say 10% or smt like that?

[Bozzax]

So you dug deep and produced screenies with all other dps classes (Outside of wh,wesw) in game topping. What did u just prove here ?

[jtj5002]

Are we really unironically complaining aobut MSH again? This is pretty much a meme at this point.

[CeeJay89]

Would it help is there was a another row on the stats board for tanks, something like dmg taken or even better damage mitigated? this would add to RR score thus making tanks a more attractive pick? as they would gain RR faster say 10% or smt like that?

Showing how much overall damage a tank took is even less indicative of how well they played then the amount of damage and healing someone put out. If we want to go with damage taken as a stat for tanks, it should be Guard damage taken. And even then, it wouldn't be indicative unless you included the parried damage too.

Maybe it would incentivize actually using Guard...like, you know, the most powerful ability a tank has and can contribute with. That would be good.

[TreefAM]

if you are getting obliterated by squigs it means you have garbage positioning, they do no dmg, they are annoying but dmg wise its all fluf aoe nonsense.

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All where MSH was in the top ~3 damage for destro, normally with solid dbs as well. Methinks thou hast no ideath whatever the **** thou talketh about.

And there are magus in the top dmg as well, and often we see cities where an engi is top dmg too, does that mean they are OP classes that need to be nerfed and are the reason why those cities were won/lost?

[NSKaneda]

if you are getting obliterated by squigs it means you have garbage positioning, they do no dmg, they are annoying but dmg wise its all fluf aoe nonsense.

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All where MSH was in the top ~3 damage for destro, normally with solid dbs as well. Methinks thou hast no ideath whatever the **** thou talketh about.

And there are magus in the top dmg as well, and often we see cities where an engi is top dmg too, does that mean they are OP classes that need to be nerfed and are the reason why those cities were won/lost?

That ^ and the fact that WLs seem to do better than these squig herders.. If WLs are balanced, then so are mSHs.