I said it was a shitpost because it was a hot take basically.dansari wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 9:26 amThis is such a lazy explanation though. What if we explored *why* this might be happening? Again, recently we had a city score of 5-23. If you believe that there are 23*24 organized destro cities (552 players), I have a bridge to sell you. Let's break everything down when it comes to city setups:Spoiler:
So now we've determined why order is less versatile when it comes to tanks, let's talk about Engy v Magus. The biggest culprits being:Spoiler:We don't need to talk about the abomination that is MSH vs the single target god that is ASW, nor the issues that plague both WE/WH, so let's talk about AM v sham. Sham have a much easier time slotting into warbands for a few main reasons:Spoiler:Actually I lied let's talk about MSH vs ASW/WL. The biggest factors are:Spoiler:None of these things are meant to say that order doesn't have over the top things that need to be tweaked, but it does highlight the vast differences in versatility between the two realms, and why *maybe* if you leave out 5 entire classes from warband viability, they will all flood to solo queue cities in the form of ranged SWs, dps AMs, WHs, and engies, or when it comes to IB, be so frustrated you play a different class entirely.Spoiler:
Ya I mean it's been said a lot before that order has much less versatility in class options when it comes to city. SW being this **** for this long is honestly like idk what to say. Then you got IB which i've been saying is dogshit since 2016 but no one ever wanted to buff it, but hey lets give BG everything anyone ever wanted right? Anyways this would lead to you are right more dead spots in pug instances but i'd argue that when it comes to pug instances this meta doesn't really matter as much as composition does, you can have the right classes but if you only have 5 healers and 3 tanks it really doesn't matter and that's been my experience on order for quite a while.
Engineer vs Magus is a massive meme, like comparing **** Ranged SW vs Ranged SH. No one actually wants to bring more than 1 of these classes ever and usually you only see it when its a very exceptional player that the group trusts to get the most out of the class. It's been explained why rift/magnet sucks as well with how you have to give out free immunities to ever pull anything you'd want to. Spirit debuff on magus is more valuable because unlike BW a lot of sorcs AoE is actually spirit, whereas engineer debuffs corp and most of BW's aoe is elemental. But on the flipside engineer is bringing pierce defenses which is imo very underrated. Biggest problem with engineer imo is their filler AoE is a really shitty (just like magus) 40ft cone but theirs deals physical damage so its even worse. Also 2 abilities engineer has they cant use on the move when magus can and really mobility is super important in city and magus/eng already have a really **** time with it bc of their class mechanic. Also what destro groups stack sorc? Because ive almost never seen more than 1-2 sorcs in any warband, while ive literally seen 5-6 bw's plenty of times. And ya it's because of class viability, but engineer/magus potential is tied to these 2 classes stacking.
AM vs Sham you're pretty much right, AM pump is only useful in organized groups with comms and ppl actually playing around it. It's not fun to play penis pump AM trust me I did it for a while before I went DPS. Also every destro melee train knows AM is paper and will just sit on you and make you want to kys.
Also I dont get the obsession with the blorc corp debuff, destro has been crying to get it changed to elemental for a while now so it actually makes sense and helps shaman and magus. Sorc has some corp damage but not that much compared to spirit and destro doesn't need to stack a bunch of the same class to win city.
Order needs some help obviously, but it's not accounting for 5-23 days, thats just order pug compositions being horrifically bad, and the fact that you basically have to form a 24/12 man on destro to even get a pop at all because more ppl are doing city on destro. I solo qued for the first time on destro a few days ago, took 26 minutes to get a pop.