How to counter melee Squig Herder stacking in cities?

[Jinxypie]

Just dont blob. Problem solved. Same way you counter BW bomb.

[ztil]

Having your own healers spreading out, to minimize how effective the cooldown increase potentially become.
Having the healers slot groupclensing and then taget clense the 2nd healer in the party, not Themselves, to keep "masking debuffs" and CDI off as much as possible from your healers.

In terms of countering Them. Its All about the interrupting their channeled aoe! Either With taunts, cc, or SM aoe interrupts if they Are stacked on top of eachother. Since sh is originally a ranged archtype they dont have a snare nor rootbreaker, so these types of control stick on Meatballs. Champ channel or WL m1 roots Are exelent to contain Them. A knock down into dogpile burst can also work as the class doesnt have an aoe pboe detaunt as melee archtype does.

An other key bit of information, they Are super cooldown dependant. Having a BO or choppa in their group to feed Them waaagh or Chop faster is like 50% more efficientcy on their up time. If you can out last the duration you might find more breathing room (just dont stall Till they have 2400 m4)

Bombling speaks the truth.

Interrupt the channeled aoe abilities and root them in place with cc abilities and they become useless. There is no squig ability to break root and there is no "spammable" aoe-ability. Just one casted one with a 20s cd and a channeled one with a 8s cd. So interrupt any or both of these and the squig will be forced to use single target abilities for atleast 8 seconds. (unless there is a cooldown decreaser in group)

The squig (and Slayers) cooldown increase ability has a 20s cd and is more effective if more targets are hit by it so spread out. Also it's recently been nerfed to only give 3s cd increase instead of the previous 5, and that's when hitting 5 targets with it which is rare unless healers are stacking up in one place.

If you want the squig to go away you also just need to apply a bit of pressure on the squig and it will be forced to disengage back to guard/healer range. I don't really think it should be necessary though since a lone squig should not be able to kill anything with the fluffy aoe dmg from bad gas and big bouncin

[CountTalabecland]

Spoiler:

Well, I view it like this: mSH jump to their targets and do CD increase and then aoe. They are out of range of their guard, and perhaps a healer is hot stuff and pre-hotted them. They have armor and a self-heal (channel?) to survive until the rest of the WB catches up. Vs slayer and WL that do the same thing, slayer does aoe CD increase and aoe, and WL pouncing to their desired target and wrecking them. The slayer will be in guard range and the WL has armor (and perhaps again some pre-hots).

I tried to make that as unbiased as possible. So, we can look at this as either:
1. mSH has too many options for this one type of rvr event (city) - which leads to how it does else where?
2. Order has more variety and is not tied to having just one class to get what it needs.

As there are no shortage of BWs blowing stuff up (or dps AMs), nuke that meatball. Same for any over-extending class, lots of damage but vulnerable. Additionally, slayers do great in all forms of rvr, and WL are not too shabby either I hear. Rumor has it their aoe in city is OP now too, but that is off-topic.

As a close, what about just knocking them back? AM, RP, and WP have aoe knock-backs, I 'think' SM does too but I am not sure. You see the pounce in - boot them back out. More options for you.

Well this isn’t true. WL is made of glass compared to MSH and last time I checked Slayer can’t pounce, though I should check again as devs are handing out pounce and pulls like candy these days so who knows. Slayer should be choppa pulled, AoE knock backed, and AoE Shaman snared long before they can get ahead of their warband. Slayers essentially move towards you at walking speed at best.

Squig pounce has little risk to it due to their tankiness and destro should be choppa pulling everyone else out of the way to catch up and prevent anyone coming back to healers to help. There is no way for Order to maintain cohesion at this point in a wb fight these days.

Oh and yes, Order does have a shortage of decent Bomb BW buts that’s L2P for the faction.

[Jastojan]

Buff range specs -> less mSH

ranged squig is insanely strong, look at Jurki

Jurki? That 87 RR top equipped ranged SH which has to be top RR top equipped if he wants to be in the same line with other dmg classes (even on lower RR and not top equipped)?

(Hmh. There must be something OP on ranged SH, lets ask for a nerf.)

[Noslock]

Buff range specs -> less mSH

ranged squig is insanely strong, look at Jurki

Any dps with a brain a healer and a guard can be top killer in a zone and if he play melee in city is simply cause ranged squig is useless inside a proper wb when u can have mara choppa msh or sorcs.

[billyk]

Squig Herder is most powerfully broken class in the game. I am waiting for a revision installing a healing line so we can just see warbands full of squigs.

This, destro could just make wbs 50% msh and 50% shammy and they'd win the vast majority of encounters (If kill quests are anything to go by, destro already plays 50% greenskin and 50% others). Order simply has nothing in that regard, all those whines about WL and slayer are just destro getting angry that there are Order classes that aren't totally nerfed.
ORvR is mostly about teamwork and tactics, so you can avoid destro class domination somewhat unless you run into 8000 crit gank gangs, but in small scale fights like cities or scenarios it becomes really obvious.

As for the thread subject, you can't do much. Sure, there are some theorycrafters who tell you to snare them, but an actual match is always different than theory. There is no hard counter against mshs. If there was one, there wouldn't be so many complaints about them and destro wouldn't roll them so often.

[TreefAM]

Anything that counters my 1, 2 morale wb is op please nerf

[Jinxypie]

Squig Herder is most powerfully broken class in the game. I am waiting for a revision installing a healing line so we can just see warbands full of squigs.

This, destro could just make wbs 50% msh and 50% shammy and they'd win the vast majority of encounters (If kill quests are anything to go by, destro already plays 50% greenskin and 50% others). Order simply has nothing in that regard, all those whines about WL and slayer are just destro getting angry that there are Order classes that aren't totally nerfed.
ORvR is mostly about teamwork and tactics, so you can avoid destro class domination somewhat unless you run into 8000 crit gank gangs, but in small scale fights like cities or scenarios it becomes really obvious.

As for the thread subject, you can't do much. Sure, there are some theorycrafters who tell you to snare them, but an actual match is always different than theory. There is no hard counter against mshs. If there was one, there wouldn't be so many complaints about them and destro wouldn't roll them so often.

Complaining about whiners in one paragraph, then whining yourself about how mSHs must be OP cuz destro roll them "so often" in another

[Gottschalt]

If you got savy tank.. Just punt the meatball further away from his team or knockdown it. If the order DPSers are awake and willing to change targets (which they should, attacks on healers should be punished), they should have more than enough time to nuke the hecker.

[billyk]

Complaining about whiners in one paragraph, then whining yourself about how mSHs must be OP cuz destro roll them "so often" in another

As expected from a Destro main!

The difference is: Order has legit reasons to complain while destro doesn't.