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Post#1 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:39 pm

Forget about the treaty.
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Re: No zerg agreement

Post#2 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:24 pm

i doubt that this will work ;)
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Re: No zerg agreement

Post#3 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:05 pm

Hello i hope you have a nice day,

I like you propose but you miss the point here at the moment Destro side seems to be the one with the most populated Guilds like FMJ and PnP was like 1 week ago or maybe more that this 2 guilds both having like 1.5 Warband each decide to zerg cause they had 10-15 people less in the zone, at least that was their excuse i was watching claustros stream(i like claustro used to do wbs with him) since then every time they have an event or something its like destro will zerg 99% of the time and few destro guilds i have seen them moving away from that zerg and trying to make their own fights
Now on order side most of the guilds barely can fill a wb so sometimes those ZERGS that destro call are just 1 warband made from 2 guilds etc yea order used to zerg in the past but at the current moment destro are the ones who brought this zergfest back

Now on those things you proposed:
1:I think this one is hard to be done cause of some pugs warbands that wont listen or just move mindless around following some organised warband
2:seems logical since some destro guilds got overflows during their events and not sure yet why they keep zerging than make good use of them like flanking enemies
3:Another logical point at least will make battlefield fun again than having 2 sides each trying to avoid each others zerg
4:Nothing wrong with that
5:Forts are whatever

I doubt that we gonna have an agreement since people prefer to win than get some good fights or have some fun on rvr but for some people winning means fun just follow the zerg get keep and rewards move on, they feel like they accomplised something.
Sadly zerging is an easier way to play the game than trying to communicate for flankings/tactical moves so less effort better rewards i hope someday we wont see only zergs fights at RVR

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Re: No zerg agreement

Post#4 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:36 pm

This is not a destro order issue.

Typically zerging evolves from a Group being beaten repeatedly by another. They get bored and follow a guild WB. This blob forces enemy to do the same .. like gravity the black whole appears.

The only exceptions to this I have seen are some WB leaders that actively call for zerging when no need. This is a special order puggy thing as destro mostly have trouble holding their wb as a group .

But to solution it’s very hard without game support in the form of player density penalty on moral gain or such cos some people don’t like being killed

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Re: No zerg agreement

Post#5 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:56 pm

Hello,

If any of you want to see more competitive gameplay in the open rvr zones we need to discuss this without pointing the finger to the other realm.

I don't understand and i will never understand all this "bitterness" between realm.

But let's face it, It's not about realm, it's about WB leader and few people.

For my point of view, it's been like 1 month i'll say, playing when "Red Guild" are up is just a disaster, zergh fest, no more no less.
They're just gathering every WB and zerghing with no purpose. They're not even trying to siege or anything, they're just roaming as a zergh.

But since it's been about one month now, they simply just like playing like that and they will not stop.
And for me (& other) there is no point to play like this when you reach a number i'd say (4WB + zerghing), it's not playing it's just : "move forward and pressing one button" and you see what happen. (Ps: Oh wait i forgot, in addition let's all drop "blast potion" in fight to make the game unplayable aswell :P )

Anyway, you can see the majority of the mentality of people playing ROR (& video games), they're so desperate to "Win" no matter what, they will always choose the less challenging way to win. (You can see all the whine about fort because it's harder and harder to take them/ and All the toxicity from people when one side loose.)
And i'm not even talking about people & WB leader who doesn't want to siege because "We don't have the number" let's siege when we've ATLEAST 100 more people than the other realm, like this we can't loose, it's so funny to hit Woods.

Yes, population will drop because there is absolutly no fun for a lot of people who're playing in the more organized WB, and they need to understand if those people leave, the only people who will stay are going to be "pug WB" and i think those people will choose the strongest "side", you will just take keep with empty area (maybe we need to reach that point to make people understand ? Idk, i hope not.)

Question for one particular guild, Why what it seems the strongest WB for destro side for me i'd say it's "Purple Guild" atm, need to zergh aswell ? I really don't understand why you're doing this, do you've fun ? I can't believe that.

Sometimes "PUG WB" are just following other WB even if they don't want, but if you really don't want to be follow, i can tell you, it's possible.

The only reason in my mind,for zerghing, it's when you escort the ram for sieging.

For people who will say to me, "order need to adapt", we already zergh tuesday all together, it was so much fun, really, we, for the most part log off after one hour of boring gameplay in DW. Yey !). It was a one time things, and i'll never do it again.

We're not in Fairy tale, what you're suggesting will never happen. (even if i would love it so much)

For Yesterday, in 2 hours we got 2 "decent" fights and it was against you lutz, so i can only thank you for that.

I just don't understand how people can have fun logging in a video game without playing it.

Ywhi
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Re: No zerg agreement

Post#6 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:19 pm

Ywhi wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:56 pm
Hello,

If any of you want to see more competitive gameplay in the open rvr zones we need to discuss this without pointing the finger to the other realm.

I don't understand and i will never understand all this "bitterness" between realm.

But let's face it, It's not about realm, it's about WB leader and few people.

For my point of view, it's been like 1 month i'll say, playing when FMJ are up is just a disaster, zergh fest, no more no less.
They're just gathering every WB and zerghing with no purpose. They're not even trying to siege or anything, they're just roaming as a zergh.

But since it's been about one month now, they simply just like playing like that and they will not stop.
And for me (& other) there is no point to play like this when you reach a number i'd say (4WB + zerghing), it's not playing it's just : "move forward and pressing one button" and you see what happen. (Ps: Oh wait i forgot, in addition let's all drop "blast potion" in fight to make the game unplayable aswell :P )

Anyway, you can see the majority of the mentality of people playing ROR (& video games), they're so desperate to "Win" no matter what, they will always choose the less challenging way to win. (You can see all the whine about fort because it's harder and harder to take them/ and All the toxicity from people when one side loose.)
And i'm not even talking about people & WB leader who doesn't want to siege because "We don't have the number" let's siege when we've ATLEAST 100 more people than the other realm, like this we can't loose, it's so funny to hit Woods.

Yes, population will drop because there is absolutly no fun for a lot of people who're playing in the more organized WB, and they need to understand if those people leave, the only people who will stay are going to be "pug WB" and i think those people will choose the strongest "side", you will just take keep with empty area (maybe we need to reach that point to make people understand ? Idk, i hope not.)

Question for one particular guild, Why what it seems the strongest WB for destro side for me i'd say it's "PNP" atm, need to zergh aswell ? I really don't understand why you're doing this, do you've fun ? I can't believe that.

Sometimes "PUG WB" are just following other WB even if they don't want, but if you really don't want to be follow, i can tell you, it's possible.

The only reason in my mind,for zerghing, it's when you escort the ram for sieging.

For people who will say to me, "order need to adapt", we already zergh tuesday all together, it was so much fun, really, we, for the most part log off after one hour of boring gameplay in DW. Yey !). It was a one time things, and i'll never do it again.

We're not in Fairy tale, what you're suggesting will never happen. (even if i would love it so much)

For Yesterday, in 2 hours we got 2 "decent" fights and it was against you lutz, so i can only thank you for that.

I just don't understand how people can have fun logging in a video game without playing it.

Ywhi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHmh5RW ... e=youtu.be
Watch 1.03-1.10.
This is why PnP blobed with FMJ this Tuesday.
That''s exactly why we blob with them up and then.
The only way to stop zerging is to arrange zone switches between organized warbands what will make any sieges and campaign progression close to imposible btw because you can't siege anything right now if both sides have premades in field. Look how many keeps did order take last Sun and Tue.
I don't mind losing. What I do mind is playing a hero and constantly die to an enemy that outmans me. After all me and all officers in PnP are trying to make our events enjoyable for our members.

dether
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Re: No zerg agreement

Post#7 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:32 pm

Well at the moment is the destro who forced that zerg fest we wont solve the problem if we ignore the roots of it ,everyone wants his side to be the cool one but we are not here to flame each other we try to make this situations better.

I have seen desto zerging with crazy numbers while a few of the order guild gave up cause of zerging and went to do pve and destro kept going zone after zone taking keeps in the end it was unplayable for order so their pop went down and guess whos pop went up.

If guilds like PnP and FMJ who are the face of destro cause of their numbers zerg up what do you think pugs /new players will do? they will think thats the way to play and eventually win after win after the game will be boring.
It was times like 1 year that order used to zerg a lot and destro was complaining back then (i was destro during that ime) but not that tables have turned people refuse to acknowledge whos fault is this situation in the end we gonna end with X days been order zerg days and Y days been the destro ones and avoid proper fights between big guilds.

Now its destro in the future will be order and the cycle of zerging will go on
I think the guild leaders should talk and tell their opinion like Ywhi and Lutz and solve this problem to make RvR fun again!

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Ywhi
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Re: No zerg agreement

Post#8 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:40 pm

Seriously ? You answering me with the only day Order organised to counter your zergh back, and i already said it in my message. It's so sad. :?

For people who will say to me, "order need to adapt", we already zergh tuesday all together, it was so much fun, really, we, for the most part log off after one hour of boring gameplay in DW. Yey !). It was a one time things, and i'll never do it again
I guess, this post is going to be "You do it first, we're doing it because "order" or "destro" started to do it blablabla", and it's not going to be much more than that.
Anyway, i didn't expect much more from people.

can't siege anything right now if both sides have premades in field.
Yey ! that's what i'm talking about. Let's not try.

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Re: No zerg agreement

Post#9 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:47 pm

Guys, this is called spiral of violence. We all shall calm down.
I zerged, we all did. And it is fine to a certain extend.
You know like me it's about 150 people flooding in each other that does not make sense on many rvr maps, the only way to change that, is to change the mindset of those that take the lead.

A guild warband babysitting a pug warband is the most normal thing and it's fine.
FMJ @ P&P stacking up is fine as 7th fighting along with Cature, bitterstone or Ywhi.

Look, we only have this server. I am on this boat with all of you and I have to smell your filthy armpits every day.

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We enjoyed those fights too Ywhi. Thanks for those man!
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Re: No zerg agreement

Post#10 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:55 pm

Make underdog faction make % more dmg... why not test it for 1 or 2 week?
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