wargrimnir wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:57 pm
Haskr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:55 pm
wargrimnir wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:49 pm
What's the point of having a suspension lifted if it's just going to happen again? So we can repeat this two more times before a final ban? Let's just skip to the good part where the drama happens if that's what people are going for. Why wait?
Well but wouldn't the first thing be the professional thing to do? Otherwise it just becomes the clown fiesta it is now.
For example, since I learned that we have a community manager, he could just lift the bans after the time is up and then we see how it goes. That
this system now doesn't work very well is clear I think, why not try something new?
Also my first comment that I enjoy to read drama was meant tongue-in-cheek, actually I don't like the server and forum to get smaller and smaller.
Gosh, if the "community" (in this context it deserves quotes as we're talking about a minority of players who are at any risk of interactions, where the vast majority are not) doesn't want to get smaller I guess they'll just have to play by the rules. Appointing an un-banning puppet doesn't change the eventual outcome, if anything it prolongs the nonsense we have to put up with.
However, we cannot know if something works or doesn't work before it is tried. I think this is (or was?) also the aproach from the developer team regarding changes in the game: to try things out and see how it works, and turn it back if it doesn't.
I still don't understand your approach though. I agree that you should play by the servers rules if you want to play on the server/post in the forums. But my topic was never about those people (as I pointed out to Yaliskah), but about the people who
did break the rules in the forum and got a temporary ban (so its a very specific scenario).
What I did get from your replies is that for you the
whole package is important: How does someone act ingame, in the forums, in the discord (and other channels I forgot).
I have a different view on that: If someone writes a good balance proposal that makes sense for example, it should be considered, even if Satan himself wrote it.
Lets take a specific ban:
temporary ban
First a disclaimer: I don't know that guy, have no idea what his characters are (nobody is going to believe me, but I can only state it)
Of course its fun to read, on the other side I have no clue whats going on (no idea what your answer is about, it seems to be about ingame/discord?).
So all I see is someone receiving a temporary ban -> it doesn't get lifted -> he goes to the appeals forum (wrong thing to go there in that case, as I know now).
But
why does he have to go there in the first place?
Why was his ban not lifted?
And of course from there on it escalates, name calling takes place, you=hitler and so on and so on, so at that point its goodbye to the forums for that guy anyways.
Did he break the rules in the game? In the discord? If so: why does that impair his ability to write in the forums, if he really is an obstinate rascal it shouldn't be hard to ban him again in the future (this time forever or next step), and I don't think it would make more work than the clown fiesta that the mentioned appeal turned into.
Thats why, and this is my last point in this already too long post, the current approach seems
dishonest too me.
It gives itself the appearance to be independent, while it is the very opposite.
For example it would be much more honest to simply state that certain people, opinions, nonsense etc is unwanted in such cases and give the indefinite ban right away (my point 2 in the beginning post).
That however (this is now really the last point), would not be my approach.
As I already stated, for me it is clear that the strict approach, beeing the situation we have now, does not work. Why not try a more lenient one.
There were enough strongmen in the team already, and it never paid off, only turning people away, never posting again or spreading bad press through the net.
This community is small enough, we all have to learn to play together and
endure each other if we want to actually see this game alive and thriving for the next years to come, thats not only the communities work, but also the alpha teams one.