Balance

[ragafury]

not gonna comment on the moralepump too much.
it's jan 2k18. there were multiple tweaks and removal of code to morales.
raze bomb is totally out of sync for destro. there is a difference between chosens dfv and bos ysmbd. chosens slots it because it's still okayish, bo slots it for trying to keep up ( doesn't really work, 10 sec slower at reaching M2). BG snb has no space in serious comps, BG 2hd is more than situational, both have no pump, so it's whatever.

M4 in sc is totally unrealistic unless it's one prolonged fight.
M4 in open field fights same, unrealistic unless it's one prolonged fight or a (counter)funnel.

Overall destro has no more good morales outside of raze and greatfang, and greatfang is slower than R+D cause BW has pump and AM heal is actually viable.
overall destros morale game isn't really intact, but what do I know.

on the pugs:
played 3 days there in pugs, that's not really representative but:

- full runner or full yolo charge mentality on average
- grp setups kinda okayish when I played, sometimes even better than destro
- one leader cared as much as on destro for setup and class distribution and "tried" things
- much more undergeared lowlevel chars
- much more kicking of undergeared low level chars
- some leaders very unfriendly
- no one tried to lead with comms
- one guy led with macros, which was kinda okay, and kept fighting vs AAO in doomstriker, was ok I would say.
- "easier to break" tendancy on average, wipe 2x or 3x time = "sry g2g"
- more internal /1 /2 communication, which is a good thing ofc for pug warbands, destro /1 /2 is most of the time tumbleweed.jpeg

not gonna state that every destro pug warband is a joyful experience, but the above are the main differences.
also destro has the same "issue", there is a guy who leads and steps up, or there is non.

[anarchypark]

what do u call healers only use ST heal?
'this healer is sux'
when you do proper healer job, AM morale pump is not reliable.
when dps AM do pump job, is he dps or healer?

I'm voting to change all morales to surviving skills.
but that's just me.
sry for derail, morale is always the trigger in any thread.

[Kurama]

Wait, Order with all their gap closers, RKDs and fetch complaining about a rng tactic on the worst healer of the game? Check TUP's last oRvR video, the most organized guilds take Doks and Zealots over Shamans.

[Thamor]

Wait, Order with all their gap closers, RKDs and fetch complaining about a rng tactic on the worst healer of the game? Check TUP's last oRvR video, the most organized guilds take Doks and Zealots over Shamans.

Logic fail on this. So do organised Order take RP & WP rather than AM. And no AM is behind Shammy on which is more effective healer for party.

[ragafury]

we run 1x shaman, but not for pumping.
rezz, puddle for bomb or push stop etc are valuable assets.
shaman has to commit with 2 tactics for pump.
that gimps heal output. we tried it few times.

though, shaman needs to be a good player. and tiggr eg. which you see in the vidya is great.
when tuesday was a bit boring our choppa decided to roll out naked without gear only swords to spice things up and went 15-1 naked in her party. (could also think now that she failed )

you can get away with AM / WP, though ofc it's more risky.

anyway, both sides zerg.
it's the same since I started playing here.
If I would play pug, I also would zerg and look for organized forces to leech / roll with, strenght in numbers you know.
afterall it's war, and a rvr game. no rules. asynchron multiplayer.
I deal with it. and don't complain. the canon spam has stopped, which is a good thing, that's the lamest I ever saw way back in feb 2k17.

cheers and have fun.